Revisiting Stunning Fist DC and EDs

[SensaiRyu]

Took a peek at my stun DC during a run and it was at 74! No Tactics twisted in and no Spare Hand. Spare hand did pop it up to 79 - wai.

Since this wasn't normal I decided to test it out. I thought it might be related to the ED I was running.
And when I leveled the ED from 1-2 I think it added +2 to my SF DC.

I made a quick list of SF DCs in each ED. The ED levels are shown. I was running in Draconic when I noticed this.

Base +Spare Hand SF DCs in different EDs:
78 Draconic Incarnation (2)
56 Exalted Angel (1)
56 Fatesinger (3)
56 Fury of the Wild (4)
60 Grandmaster of Flowers (3)
62 Legendary Dreadnought (4)
72 Magister (3)
56 Shadowdancer (4)
56 Shiradi Champion (3)
56 Unyielding Sentinel (3)

Quick testing:
Spare hand adds +5
+2 wis ship buffs added +1 DC
Yugo added +1
Legendary Tactics twist didn't stack. Hmmm.

Couldn't figure out what that spell/song is that's cast on me in quests to increase my wis by +4 stacking. (Usually I'm hit with +4 str and +4 con and have to ask for the +4 wis.) Gotta get a pic so I can find it. Searching didn't work.

Once I figure it out, I'll ask someone to cast it on me to see if it stacks. Probably will fwiw.

I'm not seeing anything inherent in the EDs that supports this. When I get Draconic up to 3 I'll retest. I think each lvl in Draconic increases my SF DC by 2.

If you really really need pics, I can post them. Not bothering atm.

[Kinerd]

Wild supposition!

Maybe... maybe you took Dragonhide, which makes it so that you don't fail Fort saves automatically on a 1, but instead of adding that in they just made it +20 save on a 1(???) and that somehow got turned into +20 on your Stunning Fist Fort check(?????) and 56 + 20 is almost 78! And Magister also has a "don't fail a certain save automatically on a 1", which is why it is so high!

Yeah!

That made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[Potta]

The song you mention is Inspire Excellence. Available to level 18+ Bards as an epic feat.

The stunning fist thing is a known bug, where you get +2dc for every point in Draconic Incarnation.

[SensaiRyu]

Draconic Incarnation does indeed appear to add +2 SF DC (I only looked at SF) each level.

Was lvl 2, now lvl 4 and I have a base of 77 SF DC and 82 with a spare hand.

I changed no abilities, just leveled.

Something to do with the autogrants maybe? Magister has similar autogrants with Draconic, yet at lvl 3, magister was 6 DC less.

Base +Spare Hand SF DCs in different EDs:
Kukan Do, SF, QP (no change), Tomb (no change)

KD, SF
77, 82 Draconic Incarnation (2)
51, 56 Exalted Angel (1)
51, 56 Fatesinger (3)
51, 56 Fury of the Wild (4)
54, 60 Grandmaster of Flowers (3)
57, 62 Legendary Dreadnought (4)
67, 72 Magister (3)
51, 56 Shadowdancer (4)
51, 56 Shiradi Champion (3)
51, 56 Unyielding Sentinel (3)

Explanation of what I'm seeing:
The 56's are what I'd call base.
GMoF is up 4. 1 is from the 2 wisdom's I took, 1, 3, 5 innate abilities add +1 each.
LDread is up 6 - Tactics
The 82 and 72 of Draconic and Magister are probably related to autogrants.

Edit - Cut out the normalization. Rechecked my numbers - used spare hand with the 56 one, and didn't with the other 2.

If I level Magister to 4, I'll know for sure.

I did take dragonhide - rank 3. Your wild supposition fails to account for the +4DC after 2 more levels in Draconic.

Interesting supposition tho'. Look at the autogrants in Draconic and Magister and re-suppose.

[SensaiRyu]

The song you mention is Inspire Excellence. Available to level 18+ Bards as an epic feat.

The stunning fist thing is a known bug, where you get +2dc for every point in Draconic Incarnation.

Hey Thanks Potta! Inspire Excellence. Ty and +1

So, I take it there's a known twist bug where legendary tactics doesn't apply +6 DCs. It used to. Now it doesn't.

I'll be taking advantage of the extra SF DCs in EEs whenever possible. Nice extra dmg with Sense Weakness.

I could be that Magister adds 16 to SF DC and Draconic adds 16 also (taking into account your +2dc comment: 16 + 5 innate *2 per lvl = 26 = 82-56