U15 Beta - New Named Items Guide

[Cetus]

I'm sorry, I think you are stuck listing to your own personal whambulance to read. FR only for powergamers indeed. I have never once bemoned any lack of echrono stuff, nor epic stuff in general. What I have stated is that it is NOT as easy as you think and your perception of the game does not match the reality I get to deal with.

So you led a few people though Caught in the Web. What are you expecting? A standing round of applause?

Are scrolls available? Sure. But the prices are server dependent, but if they fall like water as you are claiming, why should I bother trading or AH? Oh wait, they probably aren't then.

As for your "IF" revenue generation. Your math, while correct, completely imaginary. Feel free to speculate like that as much as you want if it keeps you happy. I'd rather deal with actual numbers, honestly. And we know we'll never see those. The only thing that can be said for certain is this.
Casuals outnumber power gamers.

Lol

First, you state that you don't lack any echrono stuff. Are you happy to find that there isn't really any better loot 5 levels later?

Second, what I have repeatedly stated is that you don't have any excuse to not have the gear given the circumstances under which it has existed, and the length of time for which it has existed. Particularly, the circumstances were/are as such: Abnormally high CLOAK piece drop rates when the raid was initially released, and now the current ease with which normal/hard runs can be farmed. And, as you know, the length of time the raid has existed very generously accommodates the reality of at least a few made items on the characters that should be braught into FR content (you know, YEARS). Thats the reality EVERYBODY deals with. Its not my perception, what I just wrote is entirely factual.

Third, I never claimed they fall like water, because then I wouldn't write "moderate trade" or platinum buyout, now would I? I suggest you re-read my post before you try to criticize it, that way your criticism doesn't plummet in credibility.

Fourth, obviously my numbers are imaginary there Sherlock. The purpose of that post was to illustrate the CONCEPT I was describing. And, the math succeeded in providing a potential situation that I personally believe exists where the casual players out-compete the elite players as a mass, they do NOT on a person by person situation, and that is very insightful info if that is indeed the case. Now, what I just wrote was NOT factual and instead my own opinion on the matter.

Fifth and final point, sure a round of applause would be nice, but you still ultimately completely disregarded the reason I even put that in. Maybe your previous comment suggested something along the lines of "elitist bastards potentially drop people that cant play at the same level you do" ? You did write that you know...

And I clearly stated in direct contradiction to your rather obnoxious comment that I consider myself a powergamer, and I just had a run in which I myself invited three players that didn't play at the same level, they weren't booted...

[SteeleTrueheart]

So to get the level 24 cloak I need to accumulate:
1,400 Platinum Tricrowns
7,000 Copper Thumbs
2,800 Enchanted Moss
2,800 Fey Toadstools

Can anyone who is familiar with the challenges tell me how many runs this averages out to be? (Not perfect runs but average ones)

Apologies if this has been asked and answered already, but this thread is seriously off topic mostly.

[Juduss]

Can a forum mod lock this thread and restart it minus all the irrelevant garbage?

This thread looks like a mess of:

"Noob learn to play"
"I pay money too"
"Yeah, I pay money, I should be able to beat Elite on my Thrower Wizard with Madstone Boots, shut up elitists and let me play elite"
"Noob learn to play"

I keep making the mistake of coming here looking for on-topic info because I've uninstalled Lama at the moment, only to see this worthless drivel every time.

Apologies for my part in it, was drawn by the thread title and got incensed at some of the other comments I saw, -1 to me...

[sirgog]

So to get the level 24 cloak I need to accumulate:
1,400 Platinum Tricrowns
7,000 Copper Thumbs
2,800 Enchanted Moss
2,800 Fey Toadstools

Can anyone who is familiar with the challenges tell me how many runs this averages out to be? (Not perfect runs but average ones)

Apologies if this has been asked and answered already, but this thread is seriously off topic mostly.

Probably on-par timewise with making a tier 3 level 20 Cannith challenge item. It is a lot of runs but not an insane number.

[TreknaQudane]

Are these things Bind on Equip?

If so it's going to be rather annoying looking through the AH when you have upwards of four different items with the same name.

Something else should be in the named to help differentiate the tiers at a glance.

[Jay203]

Are these things Bind on Equip?

If so it's going to be rather annoying looking through the AH when you have upwards of four different items with the same name.

Something else should be in the named to help differentiate the tiers at a glance.

the new item drops from quests seems to be BtCoE
but challenge items seems to be still BtCoA?

wonder if they'll change the mats as well as the rewards to BtA...

[good_ole_corwin]

Are these things Bind on Equip?

If so it's going to be rather annoying looking through the AH when you have upwards of four different items with the same name.

Something else should be in the named to help differentiate the tiers at a glance.

The different versions have different MLs. You can search for items of particular ML on the AH.

On an unrelated note, maybe somebody has already commented on this, but I cant be bothered reading through 15 pages of OT ranting ****. Im sad to see 30% healing amp on the ML24 shield. 30% is easy to acquire on gloves, I think 20 or 10 would be much more desireable on the shield. Devs, higher number doesnt always mean better...

[ThePrisoner]

scimitar

It see it has a curve.

[sirgog]

The different versions have different MLs. You can search for items of particular ML on the AH.

On an unrelated note, maybe somebody has already commented on this, but I cant be bothered reading through 15 pages of OT ranting ****. Im sad to see 30% healing amp on the ML24 shield. 30% is easy to acquire on gloves, I think 20 or 10 would be much more desireable on the shield. Devs, higher number doesnt always mean better...

30 on the shield has the added bonus of making Epic Charged Gauntlets viable, however...

Oh wait, electric damage + MOTU don't mix.

[NytCrawlr]

That's one crazy looking docent.

Indeed. Cool enough looking to make me want to play a warforged at endgame.

[NytCrawlr]

30 on the shield has the added bonus of making Epic Charged Gauntlets viable, however...

Oh wait, electric damage + MOTU don't mix.

Yeah, kind of wishing the shield had 20% myself. then I could look for a ring or something with 10% (or vice versa) that I could swap out and call it a day.

Ah well, can't have it all. Still want that shield regardless, but I am a shield collector.

[Ertay]

Yeah, kind of wishing the shield had 20% myself. then I could look for a ring or something with 10% (or vice versa) that I could swap out and call it a day.

Ah well, can't have it all. Still want that shield regardless, but I am a shield collector.

Apparently, one of the lower tier versions actually has those 20%, but this also comes with lower devotion and dr10/slashing which kinda sucks. With 30% so easily available, the 20% version could be in higher demand in the end actually, what sucks is that you have to give up so much of the other nice things only to have your healing amp stack...
Customizable/slottable items would have been key here, letting the base item drop on normal and drop "upgrade crystals" that improve a single property each on h/e would have been awesome. Sadly though, devs hate custom items and prefer to flood us with items that are part junk part good and thus don't really fit in anywhere. The idea of separate loottables for n/h/e is a good one though, have to give them that.

Also, the highest tier (=elite) of any item that gives primary stats should be either +8, +3 or +1 exceptional.

[Tid12]

Yeah, kind of wishing the shield had 20% myself. then I could look for a ring or something with 10% (or vice versa) that I could swap out and call it a day.

Ah well, can't have it all. Still want that shield regardless, but I am a shield collector.

Why not expceptional 10% Heal amplification? Stacking with everything else. Keep the shield and the PDK/Eclaw gloves for max heal amp purposes.

[Ziindarax]

Apparently, one of the lower tier versions actually has those 20%, but this also comes with lower devotion and dr10/slashing which kinda sucks. With 30% so easily available, the 20% version could be in higher demand in the end actually, what sucks is that you have to give up so much of the other nice things only to have your healing amp stack...
Customizable/slottable items would have been key here, letting the base item drop on normal and drop "upgrade crystals" that improve a single property each on h/e would have been awesome. Sadly though, devs hate custom items and prefer to flood us with items that are part junk part good and thus don't really fit in anywhere. The idea of separate loottables for n/h/e is a good one though, have to give them that.

Also, the highest tier (=elite) of any item that gives primary stats should be either +8, +3 or +1 exceptional.

You can actually find 10-20% healing amp items on random-generated loot. Won't be as good as a named item, but still. >.>


However, I too, would like to see more customizeable loot.

[sirgog]

Why not expceptional 10% Heal amplification? Stacking with everything else. Keep the shield and the PDK/Eclaw gloves for max heal amp purposes.

The last thing the game needs is MORE stacking healing amp items.

[Tid12]

The last thing the game needs is MORE stacking healing amp items.

10% is actually low. Make it 5% if you think 10 is too much but I was expecting something more exciting from LV20+ items and not the same prefixes that we already have.

[Glenalth]

You can actually find 10-20% healing amp items on random-generated loot. Won't be as good as a named item, but still. >.>

I've seen 30% as well once the items get into the level 24 range.

Pulled a random set of bracers with 20% amp and Superior Parrying. Pretty happy with those, but always hoping that a 30% set like that turns up.

[Diyon]

30 on the shield has the added bonus of making Epic Charged Gauntlets viable, however...

Oh wait, electric damage + MOTU don't mix.

I will say however, that electric damage is a lot more useful in MOTU than fire damage is in Shavarath.

Spiders, Drow, Driders, Draegloth, Bebeliths, Yugoloths (resistant), and Undead, are all not immune to electric damage. And there are a lot of spiders and drow.

[good_ole_corwin]

Why not expceptional 10% Heal amplification? Stacking with everything else. Keep the shield and the PDK/Eclaw gloves for max heal amp purposes.

They could actually just slap a fleshmaker on it, already existing effect... Make the lower tier shields have 10% healing amp, the lvl24 be fleshmaker and you have yourself a very desirable shield on all the tiers, with the lvl24 being actually better than the others no matter how you look at it.

[Ertay]

10% is actually low. Make it 5% if you think 10 is too much but I was expecting something more exciting from LV20+ items and not the same prefixes that we already have.

In its current state, healing amp is an open can of worms already, and the devs should be very hesitant to introduce any further boosts to it.

Also, stacking 10% is not low by any means. It's usefulness would probably be more limited to dedicated healing amp builds, but it would indeed be strong there. Also, 25% should never go into any loot table. It was only created to be a workaround to give a stackable increase for monks without introducing a new type, so this is where it should remain.