Change Holy Sword to a weapon imbue

[nibel]

When the level cap was 14, and we got this spell avaiable, there was no tech to mirror what the PnP spell does. Now, we have a entire class that works on the basis of item property imbuing (Artificer), and some code could be borrowed for this spell to remain useful to the endgame.

Holy Sword: This spell adds holy burst to weapons and shields the caster is wearing, and they will bypass good, silver, magic, cold iron, and byeshk damage reduction. The wielder will have a static protection from evil effect while holding an enchanted weapon. While this enchantment is active, the weapon will be temporarily bound to character. These effects will last for 1 minute per caster level.

(New text description by ZeebaNeighba, on post #18)

This would works like Insightful Strikes/Damage, IE: stacks with Deadly/Elemental Weapon.

[Malky]

/signed

[arjiwan]

This will really help the Paladins.

/signed

[rayworks]

This will really help the Paladins.

/signed

Which is why it won't happen.

[Skavenaps]

No

First of all, it will leave arties out. They are who imbue weapons, not paladins.

Second, +5 Holy Burst Cold Iron Silver Byeshk weapon its what spells creat. I cant see metalline anywhere...

[V_mad_jester_V]

No

First of all, it will leave arties out. They are who imbue weapons, not paladins.

Second, +5 Holy Burst Cold Iron Silver Byeshk weapon its what spells creat. I cant see metalline anywhere...

you good sir need to reread the op's post, cuz it says >>>self<<<, it would put exactly 0 arties outta work not to mention lets take what you said and switch the wording up a bit shall we?

First of all, it will leave wizards out. They are who cast blur, not bards.

First of all, it will leave clerics out. They are who heal parties, not druids.

yes i had a druid heal me all the way through cole chamber and he did a banging job.

oh i can keep going on with these fill in the blanks, but such a statement has really faulty reasoning.

[dng242]

No

First of all, it will leave arties out. They are who imbue weapons, not paladins.

Second, +5 Holy Burst Cold Iron Silver Byeshk weapon its what spells creat. I cant see metalline anywhere...

you good sir need to reread the op's post, cuz it says >>>self<<<, it would put exactly 0 arties outta work....

/signed

What he said.

The whole how things work in PnP is a dead and gone argument. That ship sailed a long time ago. The idea is instead to make improvement that are needed. I don't think any class has to worry about paladin's becoming OP any time soon, a small boost like this is something that would give them much needed help.

[bloodnose13]

No

First of all, it will leave arties out. They are who imbue weapons, not paladins.

Second, +5 Holy Burst Cold Iron Silver Byeshk weapon its what spells creat. I cant see metalline anywhere...

<sarcasm on> Poor arties, they will have 1 thing less to do..... <sarcasm off>
... but seriously that spell has no use, and it needs change, i have to see a pally keeping that spell for longer than 1-2 levels untill they notice they can use that spell slot for something more usefull. btw that spell is SELF only use so arti would still be only ones who can do things to other players weapons.

SO...

BIG /SIGNED x1000 for all the times i wished it worked like that.

[sirgog]

/signed cautiously.

This would help Paladins in non-raid situations (where there is seldom an Artificer) but isn't so hot in a raid situation (where you quite often have an arti and it's Deadly or it is this).

Also I think you could go as far as to offer Greater Good instead of Holy.

[nibel]

/signed cautiously.

This would help Paladins in non-raid situations (where there is seldom an Artificer) but isn't so hot in a raid situation (where you quite often have an arti and it's Deadly or it is this).

Also I think you could go as far as to offer Greater Good instead of Holy.

In my mind, this would occupy the same "imbue slot" as Insightful Strikes/Damage: Stacks with Deadly/Elemental Weapon. Being self-only would help with this.

Not so sold in the Greater Good idea, Holy Sword is thematically a spell aimed to help against evil mobs, and Holy Burst is better than Greater Good against those mobs.

[justagame]

I think that's an excellent idea, as long as it's self-only, has a limited duration (1 minute per level is fine), and I think silver+cold iron+byeshk is more appropriate than metalline (adamantine doesn't fit here).

I also think holy burst is probably more fitting than greater good.

[Synthetic]

/signed

Though it should be implemented as a new property so it stacks and doesn't remove those effects from weapons that have them. Ie the fury enhancement

[redspecter23]

A great idea, but since it's a pally buff, probably not going to happen. It would add some amazing new possibilities for DR breaking weapons.

[Dwarfo]

This would be a great, needed pally buff.

/signed

[Ralmeth]

/Signed. I could always go for more DPS on my Pally

[valarx]

/signed

And at the risk of being overpowered, I'd suggest that the Holy Burst be stacking. In other words:

Holy Weapon + Spell = Holy Burst Holy Weapon (4d6 Good Damage vs. Evil + normal Holy Burst on critical)
Holy Burst Weapon + Spell = 2x Holy Burst (4d6 Good Damage vs. Evil + 2x Holy Bust damage on critical)

Now the Paladin truly can be the shining light standing against Evil.

[valarx]

One thought that may make the weapon imbue a bad idea.

I don't think the code exists yet to allow stacking imbues. In other words, a weapon may only have one imbue at a time.

It would really ruin a Paladin's day if he cast the Holy Avenger only to have an Arti party member dispel it with their own weapon imbue.

I think it would make sense to update the imbue code to put higher priority on spells cast by the wielder of the item.

[ZeebaNeighba]

One thought that may make the weapon imbue a bad idea.

I don't think the code exists yet to allow stacking imbues. In other words, a weapon may only have one imbue at a time.

It would really ruin a Paladin's day if he cast the Holy Avenger only to have an Arti party member dispel it with their own weapon imbue.

I think it would make sense to update the imbue code to put higher priority on spells cast by the wielder of the item.

Insightful damage stacks, so does Master's Touch. Code it like those.

So the description could be:
This spell adds holy burst to weapons and shields the caster is wearing if they don't already have that effect, and they will bypass good, silver, magic, cold iron, and byeshk damage reduction. The wielder will have a static protection from evil effect while holding an enchanted weapon. While this enchantment is active, the weapon will be temporarily bound to character. These effects will last until resting or death.

The only problem I see is that it requires paladins to prepare the spell, but that's not a big deal. Zeal is really the only other must-have-in-all-quests level 4 paladin spell, and maybe cure serious wounds for certain builds.

[nibel]

So the description could be:

This spell adds holy burst to weapons and shields the caster is wearing if they don't already have that effect, and they will bypass good, silver, magic, cold iron, and byeshk damage reduction. The wielder will have a static protection from evil effect while holding an enchanted weapon. While this enchantment is active, the weapon will be temporarily bound to character. These effects will last until resting or death.

Loved it. I'll copy it to the OP, except that I'll cut off the "if they don't have this effect". An artificer can imbue an acid weapon with Acid Weapon and deal 2d6 acid damage. Paladins should be allowed to imbue holy burst into a holy burst weapon for 4d6 + double burst.

The only problem I see is that it requires paladins to prepare the spell

Having more options is never an issue. It forces you to make trade-offs, and choose wisely what you want. If the number of good spells match the number of slots you have, there is no choice.

[ZeebaNeighba]

Having more options is never an issue. It forces you to make trade-offs, and choose wisely what you want. If the number of good spells match the number of slots you have, there is no choice.

Yeah I agree, I prepare Holy Sword a lot just because it's annoying to prepare it, go into a quest, use it, unprepare it, and go where I want to go. I just meant it was the only way it could possibly nerf paladins...but it does save them from that annoying procedure at least