New player build help tempest 1 / Kensai 2 / Evasion

**scenespot** · 07-27-2012, 12:20 AM

I am a new player to DDO and haven't played PnP since highschool (Some time ago) I have played many other MMORPG's and beta tested/developed addons for most of them. I have only been playing DDO for a week so I am sorry if some of the choices in this build is newbish. I am level 5 currently with this build. I can't figure out which feats to choose next and maybe I chose some too early/late to take advantage of fighter bonus. I got to level 18 on the build and can't figure where to go next with it.

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Whom the Bell Toller
Level 18 True Neutral Human Male
(10 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 15
Will: 4

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 18)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 18)
Balance               2                     4
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  3                     6
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 10 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery II


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 18 (Fighter)

**scenespot** · 07-27-2012, 01:00 AM

Okay redid it a bit still trying to figure out gear cause I don't know what is all available yet

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Whom the Bell Toller
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 332
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 17
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     3
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  3                     7
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 10 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery II


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Defense
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III

**Asmodeus451** · 07-27-2012, 01:54 AM

overall, not too shabby. i would take the 2nd rogue level earlier and maybe re-order some feats, drop Lightning Reflexes (though thats just my opinion)

definitely not to bad for a first attempt at a build

**scenespot** · 07-27-2012, 03:50 AM

Take the rogue level maybe after fighter 1? Also what to put in lightening reflexes place... Maybe power critical. Is Power Critical a clicky or a passive? If passive then might be nice with the already crit reliant DPS of the Kopesh? Remember new here never been above level 4 so I wouldn't know o.0

**unbongwah** · 07-27-2012, 10:31 AM

If you only have access to a +1 DEX tome, is there some reason you didn't start DEX 16 / INT 10? That would let you put all your lvl-ups into STR.

**scenespot** · 07-27-2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by unbongwah

If you only have access to a +1 DEX tome, is there some reason you didn't start DEX 16 / INT 10? That would let you put all your lvl-ups into STR.

it is my inexperience I guess since I am a trapper I opted for 2 in int cause I figured If I was going to use a tome that the math would make sense to do a 1-1 to start and then do a 2-1 with a tome. Another to Dex would have cost me 2 point and 2 to int cost me 2 points so figured a tome of +1 str would be better... But then again I don't understand tome usage yet either so there could be something im not seeing.

**Asmodeus451** · 07-27-2012, 10:43 AM

power critical wouldn't be a bad idea, its a passive feat, but IIRC has Weapon Focus as a prereq

**Loromir** · 07-27-2012, 10:43 AM

Unless your going for trap skills (Which would be tough to maintain with the 12 fighter lvls)...I would lower Intel to 8 and boost your CON.

Your low CON score is the one weakness I see in this build. Also, I see you took rogue Damage boost at lvl 1. There might be a better enhancement to take there, maybe not. Otherwise looks like a decent build.

Also...you need wis of 14 to cast ranger spells. You can get a +6 item at lvl 13 to get you there.

**Asmodeus451** · 07-27-2012, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by kinggartk

Unless your going for trap skills (Which would be tough to maintain with the 12 fighter lvls)...I would lower Intel to 8 and boost your CON.

Your low CON score is the one weakness I see in this build. Also, I see you took rogue Damage boost at lvl 1. There might be a better enhancement to take there, maybe not. Otherwise looks like a decent build.

14 CON is lowish, but not so low i'd worry about it

i do however agree with your assessment of the Trapping potential of this build. dropping INT would be perfectly fine

**Doomcrew** · 07-27-2012, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by kinggartk

Also...you need wis of 14 to cast ranger spells. You can get a +6 item at lvl 13 to get you there.

Unless there's been a change, a level 6 ranger requires a wisdom score of 11 to cast
their level one spells.

**scenespot** · 07-27-2012, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by kinggartk

Unless your going for trap skills (Which would be tough to maintain with the 12 fighter lvls)...I would lower Intel to 8 and boost your CON.

Your low CON score is the one weakness I see in this build. Also, I see you took rogue Damage boost at lvl 1. There might be a better enhancement to take there, maybe not. Otherwise looks like a decent build.

Also...you need wis of 14 to cast ranger spells. You can get a +6 item at lvl 13 to get you there.

Yeah me and my wife are playing and I am the trap monkey of the group so I use my ranger levels to maximize search and spot and my 2 rogue levels to maximize disable and pick locks. +2 or higher tools and I was figuring id be at least decent

**unbongwah** · 07-27-2012, 11:22 AM

Here's my take on the ol' Tempest I / Kensai II build, tweaked for U14 and made as newbie-friendly as possible:

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    27
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                     7
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         4                    20
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        4                    12
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     3
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  7                    13
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     3
Open Lock             7                    11
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                4                    12
Spot                  3                    10
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                4                     4
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mobility


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+2)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+9)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

Epic feats: Overwhelming Critical: Slashing and Power Critical (or whatever else you want)

Skills: full ranks of UMD, some decent trap skills, and some Concentration for good measure. With a bit of tweaking you could swap in Intimidate instead; or buff up Balance.

I would've liked to squeeze in Precision early on, now that it's been unnerfed; but I can't decide what to drop / delay in order to add it.

**Hilltrot** · 07-27-2012, 01:22 PM

Your evasion is good enough for spells but it won't be good enough for traps. You'll be a trapper like an artificer is a trapper.

At level 18 you'll need +35 reflex save vs. traps without Greater Heroism to do something like the crucible elite. Or you could just get lucky.

I'd add two more levels of rogue to help fill in the gaps in skills. It would also give you uncanny dodge.

**scenespot** · 07-27-2012, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Hilltrot

Your evasion is good enough for spells but it won't be good enough for traps. You'll be a trapper like an artificer is a trapper.

At level 18 you'll need +35 reflex save vs. traps without Greater Heroism to do something like the crucible elite. Or you could just get lucky.

I'd add two more levels of rogue to help fill in the gaps in skills. It would also give you uncanny dodge.

Two more levels of rogue I would lose Tempest I and free ITWF. At that point there is no point of being 4 ranger so then it would be a Kensai 2 Asassin 1 build... My play style does not include sneaking or backstabbing. The goal is to make Kensai 2 / Tempest 1 / Evasion work not to Play Kensai 2 Assassin.

**Stanley_Nicholas** · 07-27-2012, 04:24 PM

Not bad but could use a few tweaks. For instance, there's no need to take Fighter Attack Boost or Critical Accuracy any higher than level 2 in each, which is the minimum required for Kensai I and II. Also, +2 tomes for dex and int would greatly help if you can get them, and they're far more attainable now than ever before. If you absolutely have to get by with just a +1 dex then spend 1 level up point into it to reach 17, and your rogue skills will take more of a hit. But you definitely want to max out UMD regardless of what class your wife is playing. Even if she's a cleric, the ability to use raise dead scrolls, restoration, displacement, fire shield, and eventually greater heroism and heal with little or no chance of failure is just too good to pass up when you already have rogue levels. A build something like this may do the trick for you.

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 15
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    25
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                     9
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        5                    22
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  7                    11
Listen                3                     3
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             6                    16
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    25
Spot                  3                    19
Swim                  7                    11
Tumble                6                     7
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Spot (+2)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+3)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+10)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I

**scenespot** · 07-27-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Stanley_Nicholas

Not bad but could use a few tweaks. For instance, there's no need to take Fighter Attack Boost or Critical Accuracy any higher than level 2 in each, which is the minimum required for Kensai I and II. Also, +2 tomes for dex and int would greatly help if you can get them, and they're far more attainable now than ever before. If you absolutely have to get by with just a +1 dex then spend 1 level up point into it to reach 17, and your rogue skills will take more of a hit. But you definitely want to max out UMD regardless of what class your wife is playing. Even if she's a cleric, the ability to use raise dead scrolls, restoration, displacement, fire shield, and eventually greater heroism and heal with little or no chance of failure is just too good to pass up when you already have rogue levels. A build something like this may do the trick for you.

Like this build better than mine and it is very logical and I can wrap my mind around it. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank You

**unbongwah** · 07-27-2012, 04:47 PM

Couple of comments about Stan's build vs mine:

Turbine got rid of the dmg penalty on Precision and it's now a much more useful feat; I'd take that rather than OTWF if you think you need a to-hit bonus and/or want to do more dmg to 100% fort mobs.
Cleave & GC are pre-reqs for Overwhelming Critical, which is why I added them to my build; his build has neither.
I can see he staggered out the rgr & ftr lvls to get the most out of his skill pts, but that means backloading ITWF & GTWF until lvl 18. Unless your plan is to use 2H weapons until then, IMHO that's an unacceptable delay in your DPS feats just to have trap skills while leveling.

**Stanley_Nicholas** · 07-27-2012, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by scenespot

Like this build better than mine and it is very logical and I can wrap my mind around it. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank You

You're welcome!

Originally Posted by unbongwah

Couple of comments about Stan's build vs mine:

Turbine got rid of the dmg penalty on Precision and it's now a much more useful feat; I'd take that rather than OTWF if you think you need a to-hit bonus and/or want to do more dmg to 100% fort mobs.
Cleave & GC are pre-reqs for Overwhelming Critical, which is why I added them to my build; his build has neither.
I can see he staggered out the rgr & ftr lvls to get the most out of his skill pts, but that means backloading ITWF & GTWF until lvl 18. Unless your plan is to use 2H weapons until then, IMHO that's an unacceptable delay in your DPS feats just to have trap skills while leveling.

A nice thing about this type of build is that you have some feats available to play with. Precision is absolutely worth consideration now, and may indeed be a better choice than OTWF, particularly if you also want to occasionally use sword & board, 2-handers, or pull out a bow to make use of your Manyshot. It just depends on whether you intend to stay in TWF mode all the time or not, because unless they changed it with the expansion, you can't use Precision and Power Attack at the same time.

Cleave and Great Cleave are certainly options if you want to build toward Overwhelming Critical in epic levels. You could swap out Improved Sunder (especially if you don't plan to raid much, which may be the case if you're just planning to duo with your wife) or Power Critical, and be able to fit OC with your 2 epic feat slots.

And yes, the build I posted does stagger the ranger levels to make better use of skill points. The net result is a stronger, more capable character from level 18 onward, with improved trapsmithing all the way along. But yes, it does come at the cost of temporarily sacrificing some TWF damage output until you reach level 18. Unfortunately there's no good way to do both, so I opted for the better skills given the comment that the OP intends to handle traps while duoing with his wife. The alternative of getting GTWF as early as possible will give you more power sooner, but will ultimately result in a weaker character since the hit to skill points can never be made up. Given the dungeon scaling in a 2 person group, I wouldn't expect the temporarily lower DPS to be much problem anyway.

If you do go with something like my build, then it indeed would make sense to primarily use 2-handers until you reach level 18 (or until you get Improved Two Weapon Fighting).

**scenespot** · 07-27-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by unbongwah

Couple of comments about Stan's build vs mine:

Turbine got rid of the dmg penalty on Precision and it's now a much more useful feat; I'd take that rather than OTWF if you think you need a to-hit bonus and/or want to do more dmg to 100% fort mobs.
Cleave & GC are pre-reqs for Overwhelming Critical, which is why I added them to my build; his build has neither.
I can see he staggered out the rgr & ftr lvls to get the most out of his skill pts, but that means backloading ITWF & GTWF until lvl 18. Unless your plan is to use 2H weapons until then, IMHO that's an unacceptable delay in your DPS feats just to have trap skills while leveling.

I can see the point on staggering sacrificing DPS til 18 and that may be a problem. How about this build

Code:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Whom the Bell Toller
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 332
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 16
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    19
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     4
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  3                     7
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

**Stanley_Nicholas** · 07-27-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by scenespot

I can see the point on staggering sacrificing DPS til 18 and that may be a problem. How about this build

Code:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Whom the Bell Toller
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 332
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 16
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    19
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     4
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  3                     7
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

It will be fine, though you might find yourself struggling a bit with some occasional traps or locks around lvl 12+, mostly depending on your gear and knowledge of trap locations. Though I'd recommend at least taking stunning blow instead of greater weapon focus. Kensais already get plenty of to-hit bonus, and the new AC system has grossly devalued to-hit bonuses as well, to the point where an individual +1 will probably actually have *zero* benefit more often than not. It's honestly not worth the feat on its own, and it's only a prereq for Kensai III so you don't have to bother with it.

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