Rage

[mr_O]

woot!!! i was definately the FVS that didnt heal him Harkur on sarlona, and i ended up tanking the raid and i always say if u want heals better b standing next to me or the mass spell wont hit ya. we had zero issues completing all ya did was run in die with in 5 mins then leave its not a divine job to babysit ur red bar unless theres a boss and again better b standing next to me swinging

No, no you weren't but ill add to my list anyway.

[mr_O]

well if the healer dies, the party WIPES! of course the healer is going to heal him/her self first.



why would we run and hide when we are tryen to pull aggro. BOTH the FvS in that party play tanks, and both are heal spec.

Healers red bar was full. If your a tanking HEALER tank and HEAL. My guild leader is a friggin fantastic tank healer and guess what? He doesnt let people die.

[hebruhamer]

lol i was definately there in that raid dude, i'll even go a step further it was my lfm you hit :P

[hebruhamer]

I ran Chrono on EH today and was dead twice in the first five minutes

sounds way more your issue then ours :P

[ZeebaNeighba]

With the healing nerf, it's now more efficient to wait for someone to die and use True Resurrection to get them to full health than it is to actually use the heal spell

That's why

[mr_O]

sounds way more your issue then ours :P

Not really I run a good rogue, know most quests, and have repeatedly solo scrolled ee quests. All the skill in the world doesnt stop you from getting beat on. Thats why people still have party wipes. My point is IF YOU FILL A SPECIFIC SPOT THEN DO WHAT IS NEEDED. Or kindly send me all of the healers you know where i would be mistaken thinking they would heal. I dont mind filling out my squelch list.

[DarkForte]

What I understood from this conversation:
-Happy-go-lucky rogue aggroes 6 devils and dies: OMG THE HEALERS SUCK.
-No one else is dying: OMG ITS A HEALER VENDETTA AGAINST ME U ALL SUCK.

As far as I know, they completed the quest... maybe because the healers sucked and no one was getting heals.

If you're the **** best rogue in the server, nay, in all of DDO, why were the mobs aggroed on you and not dead? Are you going to make a pale master too and complain the healers are not harming you?

"if I die it is the healer's fault". As someone who plays 3 healing-specced toons and other toons that need healing handed to them to a degree, this mentality is pretty ridiculous. Really, if you can't stay with the group and pick your targets so as to not get monster aggression (that IS what you do on your rogue, right???), you better be self-sufficient. If you're neither, you're better off as a soulstone. When there's 12 people all over the marketplace running around killing devils, expecting the healers to keep tracking you like a heat-seeking missile is outrageous. It's one thing if mr tanky dude is tanking, you're beating in the back of the boss and the healers ignore healing long enough for you to get raped to death by cleave, but it's clearly not the case.

[dragon2fire]

I agree that people should always have a self healing solution, but the entire idea of raids being BYOH isnt as efficient as having the heavy beaters do their thing constantly while the healers DOT and heal.

That's it i am doing it!!! Byoh raid night!!!!

On a serious note if you take issues with your healer maybe i dont know make one....no seriously i agree completely with kages on this every one should cap a healer get a window into our world. Heals do get on timer....some of the changes to the way gear works have requiered adjustments....and some people are not good healers. Its so much easier to hide garbage dps.

[ZeebaNeighba]

That's it i am doing it!!! Byoh raid night!!!!

On a serious note if you take issues with your healer maybe i dont know make one....no seriously i agree completely with kages on this every one should cap a healer get a window into our world. Heals do get on timer....some of the changes to the way gear works have requiered adjustments....and some people are not good healers. Its so much easier to hide garbage dps.

And they'll notice how easy it is to lose yourself in the battle and forget to look at people's health bars. Then they hear the "ding" when someone dies, and that's why rezzes can come in quickly.

[Munkenmo]

Or kindly send me all of the healers you know where i would be mistaken thinking they would heal. I dont mind filling out my squelch list.

Favenmo

[dragon2fire]

Reading the rest of this its interesting to hear form the actual healer in question. And i repeat really please make a healer. A zerg eh chrono your not getting healed likely the party is way too spread out ...if the party is scattered why are you expecting heals ....that's silly at all levels.

[Tirisha]

/sarcasm on

you died in eh chrono? did you forget your stack of cure serious pots?

/sarcasm off

seriously though I don't ever expect a healer to heal.

I have no idea how fast he is. (every healers unpredictable even ones you know.)

If I'm slowly being killed and it's obvious that he doesn't intend on healing me, then I heal myself.

If I'm dying quickly enough that it's possible that he just might not be fast enough then I change positions while healing myself.

Never underestimate the run circles around the healer while chugging cure serious pots and waiting for him to cast mass heal tactic.

and never underestimate the 400 silver flame favor tactic (you'll never need a healer again)

[Tirisha]

If you're the **** best rogue in the server, nay, in all of DDO, why were the mobs aggroed on you and not dead?

just wanna point out that devils have random aggro while teleporting. Not something a rogue can always control.

[Seamonkeysix]

Having healed eChrono too many times to remember on my FvSes, I usually notice the dead guy's dot on the map way far away from the party. I wasn't in this party, but more often than not, somebody being dead results from a false presumption that a healer is following you around, in awe of your killing prowess and dutifully keeping you alive.

In my experience, it's always a good idea to be with the pack of folks to ensure mass heals. Don't get me wrong, plenty of people will go out and kill on their own in epic hard eChrono these days because it is easy, but if you can't rapidly self-heal reliably, I would recommend staying with the group.

When you see the FvS with 900+ HP, an eFang and tower shield, you can usually count on finding him in the middle of the sword swinging...look for masses there.

[Thaxlsillyia]

so you died in EH chrono. be happy somebody threw you a res. oh, whats that? you died again and somebody ressed you again? big deal... go loot your stuff and carry on. nobody cares that you died.

PS: also if you were the only one who died twice in that raid then it indicates soemthing is wrong with you and not the healers.

[cherokee83pride]

So disturbing trend on Sarlona is healing classes not healing. I ran Chrono on EH today and was dead twice in the first five minutes both times IN FRONT OF THE FVS. Im all for playing a toon however you want to just look at the last thread I posted about my rogue. But if you sign on to fill a specific role, FILL THAT ROLE. Or at least try, come on people even good Horc sword swinging fvs can and do toss heals to back up. thats difference between being good and being stuborn on a fvs/cleric.

Hmmm so wasnt in the raid, however did hear about it. But, take into account you ran infront of the healers, fvs/cleric whatever. And expected them to come after you while you zerged ahead away from the group and heal you. So you died 5 times in the course of 5 minutes because you were being irresponsible and zerging in an Epic Hard Raid. If you are saying healers arent doing their jobs, sit back and think for a moment that you are NOT doing yours and staying with the group because your toon isnt as uber as you think it is. Just because you have umd does not make you a better player, or ever better dps at that point. if you cannot sustain your own health in an Epic Hard Raid because you thought it would be a great Idea to zerg ahead and "think" you are doing dps, you have another thing coming because your toon wont make it thru any other raids, Epic or otherwise. If you cant be a team player, why would others want you to even be in their group because all you were doing was zerging away from the group and the heals. So in my point of view, its your fault for dieing, because you weren't patient enough to stay with the group.....

[MsEricka]

My guild leader is a friggin fantastic tank healer and guess what? He doesnt let people die.

Then your guild leader isn't a good healer. A good healer lets the appropriate people die when they need to because they are more of a drain on resources than they need to be.

f the last two heals you threw were on yourself OUT of combat and while your party was dying you dont deserve to be a healer.

You do realize of course that if a target decides to run out of range, become blocked while a mass heal is being cast or dies, the heal is then cast on the healer instead. Happens all the time.

I'm guessing your sound wasn't working when we said "BYOH, if you can't byoh stay back till we get to the main fights. Don't pull aggro off the healers. Don't run ahead of the healers if you are not self sufficient."

If this is the case, it sounds like the OP wanted a babysitter instead of a healer.

So yes I do understand being self sufficient like i said i carry minimum 200 heal scrolls maxed wand amd scroll mastery and have a tiny bit of amp.

OK, then why didn't you heal yourself when you realized you weren't getting healed?

You started the thread off well, and then everyone realized you wanted a babysitter and can't listen to instructions. Well played.

[mr_O]

Hmmm so wasnt in the raid, however did hear about it. But, take into account you ran infront of the healers, fvs/cleric whatever. And expected them to come after you while you zerged ahead away from the group and heal you. So you died 5 times in the course of 5 minutes because you were being irresponsible and zerging in an Epic Hard Raid. If you are saying healers arent doing their jobs, sit back and think for a moment that you are NOT doing yours and staying with the group because your toon isnt as uber as you think it is. Just because you have umd does not make you a better player, or ever better dps at that point. if you cannot sustain your own health in an Epic Hard Raid because you thought it would be a great Idea to zerg ahead and "think" you are doing dps, you have another thing coming because your toon wont make it thru any other raids, Epic or otherwise. If you cant be a team player, why would others want you to even be in their group because all you were doing was zerging away from the group and the heals. So in my point of view, its your fault for dieing, because you weren't patient enough to stay with the group.....

You know me, Kixie is my monk. I don't zerg on my rogue unless it's BEHIND the other zergers. I'm ok with "did not notice, was tanking, healing someone else, lagging, etc.." but getting smacked down twice in front of a fvs is not right. The first death was my bad I'll take the heat for it no problem I followed a zerging fvs by myself. Dumb move. The second death is what ****ed me off. No excuses I was watching him stand there, and then the comment about some poor fool expecting -------- to heal again. If you play a "heal" specced fvs and you don't heal so much that your friends say that about you... Just no. It would make me to ashamed to heal ever, which is why I don't unless I'm the last resort.

[mr_O]

Then your guild leader isn't a good healer. A good healer lets the appropriate people die when they need to because they are more of a drain on resources than they need to be.



You do realize of course that if a target decides to run out of range, become blocked while a mass heal is being cast or dies, the heal is then cast on the healer instead. Happens all the time.



If this is the case, it sounds like the OP wanted a babysitter instead of a healer.



OK, then why didn't you heal yourself when you realized you weren't getting healed?

You started the thread off well, and then everyone realized you wanted a babysitter and can't listen to instructions. Well played.

No I don't I just am tired of the attitude that ANY class can self heal themselves through ANYTHING ANYTIME. If this was the case there would be no fvs/clerics heal or tank as tank fvs/clerics are just more self-sufficient fighters with less dps. Or every "healer" would be nuke and insta-kill specced.

[mr_O]

I'm guessing your sound wasn't working when we said "BYOH, if you can't byoh stay back till we get to the main fights. Don't pull aggro off the healers. Don't run ahead of the healers if you are not self sufficient." Sure I've got close to 3k SP but that doesn't mean I have to let you suck it up like a sponge. If you remember the party was spread out all over the market place, there was no way to tell who was close enough to get healed. Half the time I tried to heal you, you where either blocked or out of range. Make a healer and tell me how much fun you have following a group around that is all over the map and trying to keep them alive.

different kinds of healers - http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...18&postcount=1

I am NOT a heal bot, I will NOT follow you around to keep you alive. If you want to live, you will follow me. If you don't like the way I play, Don't ask me to heal your party.

My blue bar is nothing more then an extension of my red bar.

No I probably wasn't there as I was one of the last two to join. I DID FOLLOW YOU THAT WAS THE POINT TO THIS. I have run with you a lot and know not to expect a heal bot but the blatant disregard for a party member who was easily healable and within range is what really got my goat so to speak.