Serious problem with epic destinies

[Xyfiel]

You have until the next level increase to max out your destinies, why rush? Everyone who maxes all ED than complains they have all the loot and all the ED they are bored and leaving the game. Or you can have you main destiny and all your twists ready for the next quests to come out. It is up to you how much you want the fate points and how fast you want them. Just like a completionist. There are pros and cons to both.

Some people don't even have the ED pack, so you losing your main destiny while leveling another doesn't make your char unplayable. You can pick and choose which content and which diff you play while in gimp status. I plan to knock out most of my levels before even getting into my main on my first Epic char(Druid). Basically I am unlocking my specific twists first then grinding to my ED. This seemed easier to me by using lower quest levels and EN/EH to get thru the EDs that don't match my char so by the time I am hitting EE and harder quests, I am in my main.

[DnD3]

I belive I actually saw a dev state that it there was an option intended to have you earn XP on an alternate destiny while having your active destiny maxed, however due to time constraints it could not be implemented the way they wanted to so it was scrapped. Maybe for the Enhancement revamp?

[Algulcz]

I would prefer to level EDs in similar way as leveling legendary weapons in lotro. You could "equip" several items and all gained exp was evenly divided between them. If you wanted to focus all exp on just one, then you could easily disable leveling for the others. Simple and flexible.

[VorpalLaugh]

Let me see if I got this correct. When you switch destinies you loose all of the benefits of your old destiny until you switch back. The OP wants to be able stay on his main destiny and earn 25% or so of experience another destiny. @ Thrudh, would you earn 25% less experience on your old destiny? What if you earned say 25% while taking a 50% hi on your main?

If so /signed at least to go and be play tested.
Another idea that I just had, is allow people to use lower tier version of abilities while leveling a new destiny. Say 4 tiers lower so at level 3 you can use initiate tier. There could be a feat to increase this. I don't have any experience with destinies so this might be a terrible idea.

These idea could be mixed with a unballanced adjustments that are changed with higher tiers and/or feats.

[mikarddo]

50% xp in a different ED while playing in main ED sounds good
/signed.

[Vormaerin]

Let me see if I got this correct.

You don't.

He wants to be able to set the destiny that is getting experience as separate from the destiny that is being used, but with a penalty to xp if you do that.

So my bard Fatesinger could decide she's getting xp in Shadowdancer. I'd use my Fatesinger abilities, but I'd get zero xp in Fatesinger. Instead, I'd get some fraction of the earned xp towards Shadowdancer.

[Rizzia]

(3) My suggestion in THIS thread is to actually SLOW DOWN the speed of which we level in epic destinies, completely consistent with my earlier positions... I'd rather go slower, and get to enjoy my main destiny while just playing the game than go faster and be bored out of my mind grinding the best xp/min quests just to get through it.

This I agree with, Ive done the mad rush on 1 chr, got all the fate points I need sorted. Now I can enjoy its primary destiny. I certainly dont look forward to doing it again on my alts. Even if it was only 1/4 xp retained it would be more fun than say an evoker in the melee sphere..or a melee in the caster (just for fate points).

[VorpalLaugh]

You don't.

He wants to be able to set the destiny that is getting experience as separate from the destiny that is being used, but with a penalty to xp if you do that.

So my bard Fatesinger could decide she's getting xp in Shadowdancer. I'd use my Fatesinger abilities, but I'd get zero xp in Fatesinger. Instead, I'd get some fraction of the earned xp towards Shadowdancer.

Thank you for clarifying.

[Deadlock]

Well try running a level 23 Druid like me.
The destiny paths all suck.
You start over in the Barbarian Fury of the Wild which is the furthest path from anything, and the next is some lame ranger destiny path which also offers nothing for a Druid.

If you play a Druid, your in trouble.
Not only is the class from 1-20 lame, after that you get nothing as well.
Worst ever class implemented into DDO !!!
I have given up trying to work my way through the paths to the one I want, what a joke.

You must be doing something wrong here. You do know that you can start in any Destiny within your starting Sphere?

My druid started with Shiradi Champion and uses the Epic Enhancements to get extra damage on all offensive spells and regularly used Healing Spring. Shiradi Champion is also the gateway destiny from the Primal Sphere to the Martial Sphere so I'm struggling to see why you wouldn't start with it if you ultimately wanted to be in another Sphere. What made you think it's only for rangers?

But by all means, don't let me get in the way of a hearty if uninformed rant

[Deadlock]

Also, something I didn't even realize until just now (reading DDOWiki), TRing into another class DOES NOT unlock that class' base destiny when you reach epic levels. For instance, back to my example, I couldn't TR into an FvS to unlock Exalted Angel right away and then TR back through Wizard levels to go back to Magister and twist my EA ability in. Excerpt from DDOWiki below:

Nah, your original understanding is correct and maybe the wiki could be made clearer.

I was a sorc when U14 went live and put a few levels into Draconic Incarnation.
Then I TR'd to do my druid life and put a few levels into Shiradi Champion.

I didn't have to go through Fatesinger and the Martial Sphere to get there.

And now that I have Draconic Initiate "active" in my Destiny map, I could switch to it any time I like without having to level any other destines to get back to it.

You get to pick a Destiny in the sphere associated with your dominant class each time you get to 20.

So to expand the explanation: If you have 4 levels in one destiny from each Sphere, then you've effectively unlocked all 10 destinies and can switch between them any time you like.

[Dandonk]

I definitely wouldn't mind a choice of using my "main" ED while still gaining somewhat penalized XP in another. My WF FVS started out Sentinel, went Angel, then Grandmaster and is now grinding the last of Dreadnought. I must say not all have been equally useful, and it does feel a little silly going from very powerful in one to gimp in the next.

Tagging a penalty on to XP gained this way would make it a choice - I can go grind XP faster if I choose to go with a less powerful character, or go slower and use the ED I want. This sounds like a decent trade off to me.

[Ertay]

So to expand the explanation: If you have 4 levels in one destiny from each Sphere, then you've effectively unlocked all 10 destinies and can switch between them any time you like.

Are you sure this is correct? I am on my first TR after U14 now, so this is kinda surprising to me, and I think it even directly contradicts one or more dev statements on the matter.

I was understanding that this freedom to pick was only there when you claim your destiny, and that the one picked would even stick through TRs. Lets say you levelled as a sorc and claimed and levelled draconic (and only this) on your first life. If you then were to TR to a 10 druid 10 cleric (I know, just an example) could you then claim either exalted angel or shiradi champion and even switch between them later?

That would actually make sense now, I'm baffled.

[Tid12]

Are you sure this is correct? I am on my first TR after U14 now, so this is kinda surprising to me, and I think it even directly contradicts one or more dev statements on the matter.

I was understanding that this freedom to pick was only there when you claim your destiny, and that the one picked would even stick through TRs. Lets say you levelled as a sorc and claimed and levelled draconic (and only this) on your first life. If you then were to TR to a 10 druid 10 cleric (I know, just an example) could you then claim either exalted angel or shiradi champion and even switch between them later?

That would actually make sense now, I'm baffled.

Yes, you can.

Go to the fatespinner, select a destiny (if you have them unlocked i.e to unlock EA you have to do 3 levels of US), click on EA and click on "Active destiny" on the upper screen.

EDIT: Just to clarify: If you have chosen already the first destiny, you are stuck with it even if you TR into another class.
However, if you "unlock" an adjacent destiny (by doing 3-4 levels of your active one), then you can claim the new unlocked destiny.

[Shinjiteru]

Only my monk is going through various EDs atm. And at first I thought this kind of idea would be really great, but if you compare it to doing a TR it seems to be ok like it is atm. My monk is able to get some nice stuff in shadowdancer and dreadnought too, and having a maxed flowers ED if you need saves that don't fail a save on a 1 it seems even this can be usefull for every melee in some situations, even casters. But in general I understand the problem that casters won't get much out of a melee ED and a fighter usually won't get much out of a caster ED.

But if you compare that again with TRing... if you go for completionist you won't get much from fighter PL or monk PL if you are caster, it's just needed to get completionist.

So if Turbine really wants the ED fate points be something like the PL/completionist mechanic it shouldn't change otherwise I would think the maxed EDs/fate points are designed for a greater audience of players and nerfing the challenge XP by another 50% with patch 2 is far from beeing balanced.

[EllisDee37]

Lets say you levelled as a sorc and claimed and levelled draconic (and only this) on your first life. If you then were to TR to a 10 druid 10 cleric (I know, just an example) could you then claim either exalted angel or shiradi champion and even switch between them later?

Nope.

Since you've already made your "once per character" decision of starting destiny -- in this case Draconic -- you no longer have any "freebie" choices. You can only switch to adjacent destinies. In your example you've only leveled Draconic, so once your druid/cleric hybrid hits level 20 your only choices are a) continue in Draconic, b) switch to Magister, or c) switch to Fatespinner.


The best way to handle destinies that I can figure is essentially unavailable to vets. The idea would be to start a brand new character you plan to make a completionist and max out 1 destiny per completionist life, preferably the destiny associated with that class. This means your completionist life-order planning would no longer be just about picking an order to maximize past life feats, but now to match up with destiny borders. It might look something like:

1) Barbarian ==> Fury
2) Ranger (skip destiny this life, straight to next life)
3) Artificer ==> Shirardi
4) Fighter ==> Deadnaught
5) Rogue ==> Shadow
6) Monk ==> Grandmaster
7) Paladin ==> Unyielding
8) Bard ==> Fatesinger
9) Wizard ==> Magister
10) Sorc ==> Draconic
11) Cleric ==> Exalted
12) Druid
13) FVS completionist with all destinies capped. Enjoy!

This sounds great on paper, but the reality is that destinies have devalued TRing so much that completionist now seems almost completely pointless. And it's obviously not a viable strategy for people who've already done much or all of their tring toward completionist.

[Maatogaeoth]

I was a sorc when U14 went live and put a few levels into Draconic Incarnation.
Then I TR'd to do my druid life and put a few levels into Shiradi Champion.

I didn't have to go through Fatesinger and the Martial Sphere to get there.

And now that I have Draconic Initiate "active" in my Destiny map, I could switch to it any time I like without having to level any other destines to get back to it.

You get to pick a Destiny in the sphere associated with your dominant class each time you get to 20.

I never once translated their cryptic system to mean this was how it worked with TRs. I'm pretty excited... I'm wrapping up my final (for now) wizard life then going to get on my final (for now) Favored Soul life. Having direct access to Magister without having to crawl my way across the map to get Exalted Angel is just... amazing.

Now I have to see how much I trust "random internet guy #1" before I do it.

[DeafeningWhisper]

I've said it once and I'll say it again:

- Add bridges from arcane sphere to divine sphere, from primal sphere to arcane sphere.
- Make an option to make the active destiny separate from the destiny getting exp (no penalties, Hell give a bonus for having the active destiny be the one getting the exp).

Right now my Bardcher is lvl 23 holding lvl24 and 25, my gear is all but set in stone done all the new content save the raid.

The only thing left for me to do on that toon is epic elites, but I still have to level a crappy destiny or 2 before I do that for the twists! So what am I supposed to do? Go into epic elites with my main destiny and loose all exp progress? Or go into epic elites on a gimp destiny?

The destiny system as it stands now is like forced multiclassing, can bring great things to your toon or totaly gimp it and more often then not you have little choice on which one...

[axebender]

/sign

[Deathdefy]

/signed.

I won't be doing it, but the option should be there for players without the time or inclination to deal with the pure grind of destinies that give near-zero benefit to the character while levelling through them.

I think some classes have it easier than others too. An Artificer seems to be able to make some use of almost all of the destinies, but I can't imagine doing the entire map on a pure caster or no-blue bar character.

I agree with what someone else posted in that the way to play it seems to be to choose the ED with the 'sweet low tier twist' you want for the rest of the journey. e.g. +2 Evocation spells at tier 2 Draconic.

[Deadlock]

Are you sure this is correct? I am on my first TR after U14 now, so this is kinda surprising to me, and I think it even directly contradicts one or more dev statements on the matter.

I was understanding that this freedom to pick was only there when you claim your destiny, and that the one picked would even stick through TRs. Lets say you levelled as a sorc and claimed and levelled draconic (and only this) on your first life. If you then were to TR to a 10 druid 10 cleric (I know, just an example) could you then claim either exalted angel or shiradi champion and even switch between them later?

That would actually make sense now, I'm baffled.

Yes, I'm quite sure.

Here's what my Destiny Map looks like right now:


You'll see the Draconic Incarnation destiny from my previous sorc life. Fatesinger and Magister aren't currently available because I didn't wait to get Draconic up to lvl 4 before TRing.

Shiradi Champion was my first choice when getting to 20 as a druid. I got this to level 4. This opened up Legendary Dreadnought and Fury of the Wild.

So I have access to 4 destinies and can decide to put destiny XP into any one of them.

Standing in the bar and not needing to go to a Fatespinner, I'll now switch between them:






If this directly contradicts what one or more dev's have said, then one or more devs need to get in the saddle and play a little

On the 10/10 split - no this doesn't let you pick from two different spheres. It lets you pick from the sphere of the dominant class i.e. the one that you would get a past-life feat for if you were to TR. Details of dominant classes are on the wiki http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life_Feats

There's been so much misinformation and speculation on how Destinies could/should/don't/do/might work that we put a big thread up on our guild forum to distil the facts from the chaff.

It's really simple, but I totally agree that Turbine have made a shambles of explaining how it works and how people can use it.