The Monster. 12 Fighter / 6 ranger / 2 monk

[Aaxeyu]

Me and my friend came up with this build a few weeks back, and we got them up at level 16. Even thou they won't truly shine until level 20, they are still very good at 16.
It's a pure dps build. We went for max dps, so no dps sacrifices for ac. I miss having untouchable ac sometimes, but the dps makes up for it, trust me

I give you The Monster:

Name: The Monster
Class: Fighter 12 / Ranger 6 / Monk 2
Race: Warforged
Allignment: Lawful Neutral

Base Stats:
Str 18
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 10
Cha 6

Ending Stats:
Str 38 (18 base + 6 item + 4 tome + 5 levels + 3 enhancements +2 Rams might)
Dex 26 (15 base + 3 tome + 6 item + 2 enhancements)
Con 24 (14 base + 2 tome + 6 item + 2 Enhancements)
Int 14 (8 base + 2 tome)
Wis 20 (10 base + 6 item + 3 tome + 1 Monk)
Cha 6 (6 base)

+ 2-6 more strength with madstone + rage
+ 2-10 more con with madstone + rage
+ 8 More str with Kensai boost

+2 Dex tome before G-TWF (level 12, so use tome before level 12)
+2 Int tome at level 1.

Self buffed/Final AC Breakdown:
10 Base
7 dex
5 Wis
9 Plating + dragontouched
5 deflection
1 Monk
3 chatter ring
1 ritual
2 Chaosgarde
4 insight
1 Dodge
2 tempest
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50 - unbuffed
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1 haste
2 shield spell
4 madstone
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57 - self buffed/boosted
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1 barkskin
4 bard song
5 Aura
2 recitation
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69 with all buffs

Enhancements at level 16
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound I
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness: IV

Will post the level 20 enhancements later.

Saves Unbuffed
Fortitude: 27 (29 vs spells + 1 vs favored)
Reflex: 27 (29 vs spells + 1 vs favored)
Will: 17 (20 vs spells + 1 vs favored)

Saves Self Buffed
Fortitude: 31(34) (27 + 4 GH + 2 vs spells + 1 vs favored)
Reflex: 32(35) (27 + 4 GH + 1 haste + 2 vs spells + 1 vs favored)
Will: 21(25) (17 + 4 GH +2 vs spells + 1 vs enchantments + 1 vs favored)

Able to boost it with +3 to all saves using: Head, +1 save ritual.

Hit Points at level 16
182 Levels
112 Con
70 Enhancements
30 GFL
10 Favor
25 Shroud item
18 Minos
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447
16 Rage pot
32 Madstone
32 Madstone X 2
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527 HP (at level 16)

Feats:
Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead

Level 4 (Ranger)

Level 5 (Ranger)

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack

Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant (Swap to Evil outsiders at high level)

Level 8 (Ranger)

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 11 (Fighter)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon fighting

Level 13 (Fighter)

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes

Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 17 (Fighter)

Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialisation: Slashing
Feat: (Selected) Stunning blow

Level 19 (Fighter)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quickdraw

Skill Points:
Level 1: Balance, Jump, Spot
Level 2: Balance, Jump, Spot, Tumble
Level 3-8: Balance, Jump Spot, Tumble
Level 9-20: Jump, Balance(1 point)

Items
Main hand - Mineral Khopesh, +4 insight
Off hand - Mineral Khopesh, acid blast
Armor - Dragontouched: +5 Resistance, +20% healing, Destruction
Bracers - Chaosgarde
Ring - chatter ring
Boots - madstone
Gloves - Greensteel, +6 wis, +25 hp +2 ref save.
Ring - Tumble weed
Belt - Titan belt, gfl, +6 str
Cloak - +4/5 resistance cloak
Trinket - bloodstone
Necklace - +6 con
Helmet - minos legend
Goggles - Tharnes goggles, +5 SA, true seeing, +15 search, +15 spot.

Strengths .v. Weaknesses (if any weaknesses!)
Strengths
Unmatched DPS. Almost 100 more than a TWF max frenzied barb in mod 9. In pure dmg, doesn't rely on SA / Crits
Decent AC
Decent saves
Awesome HP
Evasion!
Can use ranged with Multishot (Great damage, with 50-52 str)
WF immunities.
Kensai II (= + a lot of seeker, damage, dc to combat feats, etc.)
Tempest I (= + 10% Attackspeed = 11,11% more attacks = +11,111% dps)
Monk AC
Fighter haste boost IV (at level 18) (a total of +54% with tempest)
8 Haste boosts
8 Power surges / To hit boosts
85% healer friendly (with item and enhancements)
Future proof!
Can be healed from both arcane casters and divine

If they change monk AC, this build will lose nothing to a 14/6. Since even without monk ac this build would go 2 monk levels (for evasion and 2 feats) and it would also start with 10 wisdom for willsave.

Weaknesses
Doesn't get teir III enhancements

DPS comparissons
Barbarian VS The Monster
Ranger VS The Monster

[Comfortably]

I am working on a similar build only dwarf, have you counted in the scourge choker in The Monster?


-Comf

[Aaxeyu]

I am working on a similar build only dwarf, have you counted in the scourge choker in The Monster?


-Comf

No, I don't consider that to be a reliable source of dps, as the penalty is quite severe.
It will still reach 50 str with single madstone + rage pot.

[Turial]

Why the insight bonus on your one khopesh?

Seems like a DPS loss.

[Aaxeyu]

Why the insight bonus on your one khopesh?

Seems like a DPS loss.

Well, it only gives like 5 dps.. And 4 ac is quite alot. It will be able to reach decent AC, so 4 ac does really make a difference, while you would never notice 5 dps when you deal 502:P

I see your point thou, and I wrote that we didn't sacrifice anything for ac. But I meant in the build itself, not items. It's not stacked full of guards etc

[Comfortably]

I have thought about the same build only dwarf instead, why did you go WF?


-Comf

[KatanAztar]

I have thought about the same build only dwarf instead, why did you go WF?


-Comf

prolly immunities and warforged power attack

[Aaxeyu]

I have thought about the same build only dwarf instead, why did you go WF?


-Comf

For PA enhancements and immunities, as KatanAztar said. They look awesome too, and can be healed by casters aswell as clerics. That's a big plus imo. you can't always find a cleric, atleast not on the eu servers:P

[Asketes]

For your Dwarven Barb calculations:

WHY on earth would you use a kopesh?

wasted a feat on it

Dwarven Axes are still a supremely decent choice, when you think of giving up a feat for those feat starved Barbarians.

Also,

You used only Two Weapon Fighting on the Barbarian.. uh, Why not Greater 2wf?

Just a thought?

Oh,

and not to sound like a troll:

any decent melee build could pull your "video" off if they were full of Green Steel as well!

or at least in my opinion?

[Aaxeyu]

For your Dwarven Barb calculations:

WHY on earth would you use a kopesh?

wasted a feat on it

Dwarven Axes are still a supremely decent choice, when you think of giving up a feat for those feat starved Barbarians.

Also,

You used only Two Weapon Fighting on the Barbarian.. uh, Why not Greater 2wf?

Just a thought?

Oh,

and not to sound like a troll:

any decent melee build could pull your "video" off if they were full of Green Steel as well!

or at least in my opinion?

First of all, it's a human barb. I figure the human imp recovery will be pretty useful in mod 9.
That should explain the khopesh.

What on earth are you talking about? The barb has got greater twf.


Aye, the build wont reach its full potential until mod 9.
For the record, my only raidloot is the 2 greensteel khopeshes. I don't even have madstone yet.

I just made the video for fun btw.

[Cypher3d]

if you're going to min max your "monster", then I'll min/max the ranger

Here's some more info for you to crunch. Things you're not accounting for.

1. Ranger 18 will have access to tempest 3 30% haste, you have tempest 1 10% haste
they get 20% more haste than you.

2. halfling ranger took 1 lvl of rogue, that's 3.5 average sneak atk, +3 from sneak atk training, and +8 from guile... an extra 14.5 per hit... 22.5 if you factor in vod goggles

only 1 person has to have the argo, the rest does the dps

factor these in, crunch the numbers and tell me if you still out dps a ranger.

[Aaxeyu]

if you're going to min max your "monster", then I'll min/max the ranger

Here's some more info for you to crunch. Things you're not accounting for.

1. Ranger 18 will have access to tempest 3 30% haste, you have tempest 1 10% haste
they get 20% more haste than you.

2. halfling ranger took 1 lvl of rogue, that's 3.5 average sneak atk, +3 from sneak atk training, and +8 from guile... an extra 14.5 per hit... 22.5 if you factor in vod goggles

only 1 person has to have the argo, the rest does the dps

factor these in, crunch the numbers and tell me if you still out dps a ranger.

lol. This is funny.

Do you realise that tempest III will only give 10% attackspeed, and some extra offhand attacks?

I, on the other hand, will have 10% attackspeed from tempest I and 8 x 20 sec of fighter haste boost that gives 30% attackspeed.

The build you are suggesting will get 489 dps with 2x mineral II khopshes (one is insight, the other acid blast).
That is less then the 502 dps the monster have without any sneak attacks at all. Inclde vod goggles on the monster and you are up in 540 dps.

Getting +8 sa damage from halfling is very expensive, but even if you can afford it you will have lower dps than The Monster.

[SteeleTrueheart]

To the OP,

looks like a decent build. I am not sure if it is THE dps machine you claim by your jumping up and down, but it is pretty good. I will have a closer look over the weekend (if I am not loot running/xp gathering )

I suggest you remove rams from your final stats and add it to the section of buffs below your ending stats, Rams and madstone are not really synergistic.

1. Ranger 18 will have access to tempest 3 30% haste, you have tempest 1 10% haste
they get 20% more haste than you.

Really? The haste portions of tempest stack? If that is true then that would be insanely awesome since they are the only class that gets Superior TWF so haste plus tempest plus STWF is just insane.

Are you sure?

[Aaxeyu]

I suggest you remove rams from your final stats and add it to the section of buffs below your ending stats, Rams and madstone are not really synergistic.

Rams last 6 mins while madstone only lasts 2 min, so it shouldn't be much of a problem. Unequip the boots when you're on 2-3 min left on rams and recast it as soon as you can.

Really? The haste portions of tempest stack? If that is true then that would be insanely awesome since they are the only class that gets Superior TWF so haste plus tempest plus STWF is just insane.

Are you sure?

No, he is wrong. He's probably just grasping for straws to defend his precious rangers..

[Noctus]

Tempest speed boosts do not stack.

[EinarMal]

Try strength based Halfling Rogue 12/Ranger 6/Fighter 2, and check the "unmatched" part. I admittedly fewer hit points, lower to-hit etc.... At least on the DPS part it would compare well I think.

You also get either improved evasion or crippling strike. Also you can get knockdown immunity with Acrobat. You also get Rogue Haste Boost as well.

Let's say 15 starting strength plus all level ups, so 15 +3 Tome +5 Levels +1 Enh. or a base of 24 before items/buffs.

Sneak attack damage would be 6d6 + 12 (Rogue Enh,) +8(Half Enh.) + 8(VOD) = +49 per swing.

With a couple of Radiance II Khopesh would put out some sick damage.

[EinarMal]

The other thing that is going to get you in trouble is counting in Fighter Haste Boost and claiming "umatched" DPS. I have also never seen the duration of power surge listed anywhere officially (could be 20s could be 1 min who knows).

The truth is haste boost lasts 20 seconds, takes a few seconds to activate, and is only good for the actual time your swinging and hitting mobs. So, the best case is you hit the boost while running up to a single mob with a lot of hit points and can stand there for 18s and hit them. The typical case is you are fighting several mobs, you lost time in between moving/chasing them etc... and get even less actual time with it.

I would say you would be very lucky to get 15s per boost of actual swinging and hitting mobs per boost on average.

So 8 x 15s is 2 minutes per shrine. I would estimate on average most quests go about 15-20 minutes per shrine so you are looking at about 1/7 to 1/10 of the time you can claim the haste boost. So at best you should weight your DPS numbers 6/7 without haste boost + 1/7 with haste boost.

The nice thing about Rangers is they will get 10% speed boost + extra offhand attack +ram's might +14 damage to 5 FE and all of those are constant for every minute (minus maybe ram's around beholders). It requires the least amount of up keep, you don't have to time out and spread out any boosts, you pretty much show up and start swinging.

[Strykersz]

The build you are suggesting will get 489 dps with 2x mineral II khopshes (one is insight, the other acid blast).
That is less then the 502 dps the monster have without any sneak attacks at all. Inclde vod goggles on the monster and you are up in 540 dps.

I would love to see the math for this calc.

edit: Nm spotted them!

[Aaxeyu]

Try strength based Halfling Rogue 12/Ranger 6/Fighter 2, and check the "unmatched" part. I admittedly fewer hit points, lower to-hit etc.... At least on the DPS part it would compare well I think.

You also get either improved evasion or crippling strike. Also you can get knockdown immunity with Acrobat. You also get Rogue Haste Boost as well.

Let's say 15 starting strength plus all level ups, so 15 +3 Tome +5 Levels +1 Enh. or a base of 24 before items/buffs.

Sneak attack damage would be 6d6 + 12 (Rogue Enh,) +8(Half Enh.) + 8(VOD) = +49 per swing.

With a couple of Radiance II Khopesh would put out some sick damage.

13 rogue/6 ranger/1 monk would be the best way to go for a tempest rogue, and yes it would have higher dps when getting 100% SA. 502 vs 557. If you add vod goggles on The Monster you get 540 vs 557. So it's not that much of a difference.

See it like this: It has the highest avarage dps, the rogue can lose his dps from so many things, aggro from mobs, fortification, undeads, elementals, constructs etc. Even 25% fortification will bring a tempest rogues dps down to below The Monsters dps.

[Kreaper]

What are your stats now and tomes already used?