Get quicken later. Wont need that until say 18 or so. Instead grab Precise shot there. Why the point into dex? No +3 tome? Get one. APS look ok, KI would lose the concentration and toughness IV and flesh out that force line more. You don't get blade barrier until 15, so front load the repeater feats. at 15 start to worry about that blade barrier damage. It is a short cast animation so I would hold off on quicken. Again, AS is kinda iffy imo. Moving up your feat progression is helped by replacing AS. I'll mess with a planner and post the build. give me 30 or so.Originally Posted by jackmcbarn
Okay, I bumped up Con and took Racial Toughness. How's this look? (All 80 APs spent now)Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male (20 Artificer) Hit Points: 292 Spell Points: 1099 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 10 Reflex: 11 Will: 10 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 8 8 8 Dexterity 16 20 20 Constitution 16 16 18 Intelligence 18 19 22 Wisdom 6 6 6 Charisma 6 6 6 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 5 16 17 Bluff -2 -2 -1 Concentration 7 27 32 Diplomacy -2 -2 -1 Disable Device 8 29 30 Haggle -2 -2 -1 Heal -2 -2 -1 Hide 3 5 6 Intimidate -2 -2 -1 Jump 0 7 8 Listen -2 -2 -1 Move Silently 3 5 6 Open Lock 7 28 29 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 4 6 7 Search 8 29 30 Spot 2 21 22 Swim -1 -1 0 Tumble 4 9 10 Use Magic Device 2 21 22 Level 1 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Spell (1): Conjure Bolts Spell (1): Repair Light Damage Spell (1): Resist Energy Spell (1): Grease Spell (1): Enchant Weapons Spell (1): Enchant Armor Level 2 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (1): Ablative Armor Level 3 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning Spell (2): Protection From Energy Level 4 (Artificer) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Rapid Shot Spell (2): Fox's Cunning Level 5 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (2): Elemental Weapons Level 6 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Spell (3): Repair Serious Damage Level 7 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (3): Flame Turret Level 8 (Artificer) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell Spell (3): Adamantine Weapons Level 9 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation Spell (4): Protection From Elements Level 10 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (4): Cold Iron Weapons Level 11 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (4): Armor of Speed Level 12 (Artificer) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Spell (5): Silver Weapons Level 13 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (5): Prismatic Stike Level 14 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (5): Planar Weapons Level 15 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot Spell (6): Blade Barrier Level 16 (Artificer) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot Spell (6): Reconstruct Level 17 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (5): Radiant Forcefield Level 18 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation Spell (6): Deadly Weapons Level 19 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (6): Tactical Detonation Level 20 (Artificer) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Empower Spell Spell (6): Deconstruct Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack II Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage II Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use I Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use II Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use III Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use IV Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I Enhancement: Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge I Enhancement: Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge II Enhancement: Arcane Empowerment Enhancement: Artificer Item Defense I Enhancement: Artificer Item Defense II Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV Enhancement: Improved Concentration I Enhancement: Improved Concentration II Enhancement: Improved Concentration III Enhancement: Improved Concentration IV Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics I Enhancement: Force Manipulation I Enhancement: Force Manipulation II Enhancement: Force Manipulation III Enhancement: Force Manipulation IV Enhancement: Force Manipulation V Enhancement: Force Manipulation VI Enhancement: Force Manipulation VII Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence I Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence II Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence III Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
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07-24-2012, 02:10 PM #21Community Member
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Get quicken later. Wont need that until say 18 or so. Instead grab Precise shot there. Why the point into dex? No +3 tome? Get one. APS look ok, KI would lose the concentration and toughness IV and flesh out that force line more. You don't get blade barrier until 15, so front load the repeater feats. at 15 start to worry about that blade barrier damage. It is a short cast animation so I would hold off on quicken. Again, AS is kinda iffy imo. Moving up your feat progression is helped by replacing AS. I'll mess with a planner and post the build. give me 30 or so. Originally Posted by jackmcbarn
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07-24-2012, 02:19 PM #22Community Member
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I considered Precise Shot earlier, but from my experience with it, I don't want it until I can take Improved Precise Shot. Is it worth waiting for this, or should I adapt to the way it works? And other than that, I don't have any other repeater feats I can move up. Originally Posted by Maxallu
New enhancement list:Level 20 (AP: 80/4)
Arcane Empowerment
Artificer Crossbow Attack I
Artificer Crossbow Attack II
Artificer Crossbow Damage I
Artificer Crossbow Damage II
Artificer Damage Boost I
Artificer Damage Boost II
Artificer Battle Engineer I
Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use I
Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use II
Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use III
Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use IV
Artificer Intelligence I
Artificer Intelligence II
Artificer Intelligence III
Artificer Item Defense I
Artificer Item Defense II
Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge I
Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge II
Force Manipulation I
Force Manipulation II
Force Manipulation III
Force Manipulation IV
Force Manipulation V
Force Manipulation VI
Force Manipulation VII
Kinetic Spellcasting I
Kinetic Spellcasting II
Kinetic Spellcasting III
Deadly Kinetics I
Deadly Kinetics II
Deadly Kinetics III
Improved Concentration I
Improved Concentration II
Improved Concentration III
Improved Concentration IV
Racial Toughness I
Racial Toughness II
Racial Toughness III
Repair Manipulation I
Warforged Constitution I
Warforged Constitution II
(Removed Racial Toughness IV, added Kinetic Spellcasting II/III and Deadly Kinetics II/III)Last edited by jackmcbarn; 07-24-2012 at 02:23 PM.
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07-24-2012, 02:39 PM #23Community Member
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OK here it is. Now you will need +3 dex tome. But just save up and get it no the A, or use points, not all that hard to get a hold of. Some things, the APs are tight, but there is no fat here. This build generally ignores the dog buffs. so no AS, no uncaring master. Max rune arm, max repeater, max force line. Toughness III and a little UMD.
This is a Repeater/Rune Arm/Blade barrier build. The tomes used reflect the tomes I have on my build. This is essentially what I used except my build is a 36 point build and I took completionist at level 3 and did not take greater evo at the end. I also took adamantine body instead of skill focus UMD. But this is a good build for those without completionist.
Lots of skill points, so i put 'extra' in haggle just because, that is all up to you. Make sure to hit UMD, Search, spot, DD, OL, concentration. rest is up to you.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page a a Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male (20 Artificer) Hit Points: 302 Spell Points: 1186 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 11 Reflex: 10 Will: 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 8 11 Dexterity 16 19 Constitution 16 21 Intelligence 18 29 Wisdom 6 9 Charisma 6 10 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11 +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11 +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11 +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11 +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11 +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 4 16 Bluff -2 1 Concentration 7 29 Diplomacy -2 1 Disable Device 8 33 Haggle 0 24 Heal -2 0 Hide 3 5 Intimidate -2 1 Jump 0 12 Listen -2 0 Move Silently 3 5 Open Lock 7 28 Perform n/a n/a Repair 4 27 Search 8 33 Spot 2 23 Swim -1 1 Tumble 4 6 Use Magic Device 2 29 Level 1 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Level 2 (Artificer) Level 3 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 4 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot Level 5 (Artificer) Level 6 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot Level 7 (Artificer) Level 8 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Maximize Spell Level 9 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell Level 10 (Artificer) Level 11 (Artificer) Level 12 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Level 13 (Artificer) Level 14 (Artificer) Level 15 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot Level 16 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Spell Focus: Evocation Level 17 (Artificer) Level 18 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation Level 19 (Artificer) Level 20 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack II Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage II Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use I Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use II Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use III Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use IV Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I Enhancement: Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge I Enhancement: Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge II Enhancement: Arcane Empowerment Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Improved Use Magic Device I Enhancement: Improved Use Magic Device II Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting II Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting III Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting IV Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting V Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting VI Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics I Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics II Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics III Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics IV Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics V Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics VI Enhancement: Force Manipulation I Enhancement: Force Manipulation II Enhancement: Force Manipulation III Enhancement: Force Manipulation IV Enhancement: Force Manipulation V Enhancement: Force Manipulation VI Enhancement: Force Manipulation VII Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence I Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence II Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence III Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
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07-24-2012, 04:30 PM #24Community Member
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For now, I'm going to hold on to Augment Summoning. Other than that, how does this feat progression look?
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male (20 Artificer) Hit Points: 282 Spell Points: 1099 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 10 Reflex: 11 Will: 10 Level 1 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Level 2 (Artificer) Level 3 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning Level 4 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Rapid Shot Level 5 (Artificer) Level 6 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 7 (Artificer) Level 8 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot Level 9 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Level 10 (Artificer) Level 11 (Artificer) Level 12 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Level 13 (Artificer) Level 14 (Artificer) Level 15 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot Level 16 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Spell Focus: Evocation Level 17 (Artificer) Level 18 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation Level 19 (Artificer) Level 20 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Empower Spell
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07-24-2012, 04:36 PM #25Build Constructionist
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FYI, the builder lists Spell Focus as an artificer bonus feat, but I believe that's incorrect. In your case, that just means you'll have to move SF:Evo to lvl 15 and IPS to lvl 16.
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07-24-2012, 04:40 PM #26Community Member
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Looks ok, one change, swap empower, quicken and evo focus. that way you have max and empower when you are casting blade barriers. then quicken at 18, then GSF evo. BB is a short animation, so it is not a huge deal getting the quicken later. Originally Posted by jackmcbarn
I wish I could talk you out of AS but AS instead of Skill focus UMD is not a big deal.Last edited by Maxallu; 07-24-2012 at 04:43 PM.
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07-24-2012, 05:19 PM #27Community Member
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Looks good. I don't know why everyone is saying don't take Augment Summoning. I had it on my Artificer and my dog tanked everything. I got him the Plating, Toughness, Intimidate, and Strength Enhancements. He had over 500 HP at level 16 and barely took any damage, at least nothing I couldn't easily repair. I think I also made him Chaotic Good, just so he would break boxes for me.
The dog makes a very good tank. I advise you to always keep Augment Summoning. It's also very good for anyone who may have 3 Druid Past Lives, since it brings the total increase to +10 everything.
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07-25-2012, 07:45 AM #28Community Member
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My current arti build is pretty much identical to this, except for the feats. I also dumped the repair skill (for tumble) but as you note the skills are really flavor beyond the trapping essentials, umd, balance, and jump. Originally Posted by Maxallu
Is empower really worth it on an arti, particularly with the spell power changes? The only spell i use it for is blade barrier, as both prismatic strike and tactical detonation are for cc rather than damage. The difference in the new system is that empower gives you an additional 75% of base damage, i.e. 57.5 for a bladebarrier, but this is usually saved against or evaded by mobs as you get into epic content. Note that 57.5 is the final, full benefit (excluding crits) in the new system, which seems minor.
Secondly, what are peoples' thoughts on the inclusion of a body feat for a warforged? Pre-U14, this was clearly sub-optimal, but now having moderate AC may be better than a skill focus UMD, particularly for a wf. One option I've been looking at for this is taking the shadowdancer ED line and taking 3 points in lithe (assuming this works with mithral body). This would give a total +11 dex bonus to your mithral body ac (which is probably at base 14/15 for the L18+ docents, i.e. 9 + 5/6 enhancement bonus). In other words, total base ac around 35-36 including dex and before shield / toughen construct / all the usual buffs. I can easily hit an ac of 50 with trivial self-buffs in heroic levels, and this number can be made much higher by appropriate use of the ED system.
Under the old system, an ac of 50 was a joke, but under the new system there is some damage mitigation at this level which may be worthwhile compared to a fully dumped ac toon.
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07-25-2012, 08:17 AM #29Community Member
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Adamantine Body is maybe a better option. Originally Posted by Loriac
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07-25-2012, 08:19 AM #30Community Member
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Completely agree in the absence of evasion (my current L20 arti has used adamantine body throughout, and I found him to have been fairly resiliant in most content). Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off
The reference to mithral body was really in the context of the shadowdancer tree (which I didn't make clear) and only because evasion doesn't work with adamantine body.
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07-25-2012, 08:55 AM #31Community Member
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I can't take GSF: Evocation at 20 because it's not an Artificer bonus feat. Originally Posted by Maxallu
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07-25-2012, 09:42 AM #32Community Member
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If you haven't taken 20 yet, one option is to talk to Fred if you have any feats you took earlier in a normal feat level (1,3,6,9 etc) just before you level and swap out the old feat for GSF, level up and retake your old feat. Originally Posted by jackmcbarn
I did this with IPS, which I had taken at 15, in order to get GSF at 20.
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07-25-2012, 10:08 AM #33Community Member
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I haven't even started the character yet. All this is in the planner right now. I want to design the character in a way that I don't need to respec feats as I level. Originally Posted by Loriac
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07-25-2012, 11:03 AM #34Community Member
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I think this is as close as I can get to the order you wanted, just because of what I can and can't take as bonus feats: Originally Posted by Maxallu
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male (20 Artificer) Hit Points: 282 Spell Points: 1099 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 10 Reflex: 11 Will: 10 Level 1 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Level 2 (Artificer) Level 3 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning Level 4 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Rapid Shot Level 5 (Artificer) Level 6 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 7 (Artificer) Level 8 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot Level 9 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Level 10 (Artificer) Level 11 (Artificer) Level 12 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Empower Spell Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Level 13 (Artificer) Level 14 (Artificer) Level 15 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation Level 16 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot Level 17 (Artificer) Level 18 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation Level 19 (Artificer) Level 20 (Artificer) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
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07-26-2012, 02:57 PM #35Community Member
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Yes. You want those 1400 damage bb crits, Originally Posted by Loriac
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07-26-2012, 04:05 PM #36Community Member
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in that case, swap IC range and empower. Originally Posted by jackmcbarn
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07-26-2012, 06:26 PM #37Community Member
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After collecting all the feedback, here's the build I've come up with:
Enhancement progression order:Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male (20 Artificer) Hit Points: 282 Spell Points: 1099 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 10 Reflex: 11 Will: 10 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 8 8 8 Dexterity 16 20 20 Constitution 16 16 18 Intelligence 18 19 22 Wisdom 6 6 6 Charisma 6 6 6 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 5 16 17 Bluff -2 -2 -1 Concentration 7 27 32 Diplomacy -2 -2 -1 Disable Device 8 29 30 Haggle -2 -2 -1 Heal -2 -2 -1 Hide 3 5 6 Intimidate -2 -2 -1 Jump 0 7 8 Listen -2 -2 -1 Move Silently 3 5 6 Open Lock 7 28 29 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 4 6 7 Search 8 29 30 Spot 2 21 22 Swim -1 -1 0 Tumble 4 9 10 Use Magic Device 2 21 22 Level 1 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Spell (1): Conjure Bolts Spell (1): Repair Light Damage Spell (1): Resist Energy Spell (1): Grease Spell (1): Enchant Weapons Spell (1): Enchant Armor Level 2 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (1): Ablative Armor Level 3 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning Spell (2): Protection From Energy Level 4 (Artificer) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Rapid Shot Spell (2): Fox's Cunning Level 5 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (2): Elemental Weapons Level 6 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Spell (3): Repair Serious Damage Level 7 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (3): Flame Turret Level 8 (Artificer) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot Spell (3): Adamantine Weapons Level 9 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Spell (4): Protection From Elements Level 10 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (4): Cold Iron Weapons Level 11 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (4): Armor of Speed Level 12 (Artificer) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Empower Spell Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Spell (5): Silver Weapons Level 13 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (5): Prismatic Stike Level 14 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (5): Planar Weapons Level 15 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation Spell (6): Blade Barrier Level 16 (Artificer) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot Spell (6): Reconstruct Level 17 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (5): Radiant Forcefield Level 18 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation Spell (6): Deadly Weapons Level 19 (Artificer) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Spell (6): Tactical Detonation Level 20 (Artificer) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Spell (6): Deconstruct Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack II Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage II Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use I Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use II Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use III Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use IV Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I Enhancement: Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge I Enhancement: Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge II Enhancement: Arcane Empowerment Enhancement: Artificer Item Defense I Enhancement: Artificer Item Defense II Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Improved Concentration I Enhancement: Improved Concentration II Enhancement: Improved Concentration III Enhancement: Improved Concentration IV Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting II Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting III Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting IV Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting V Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics I Enhancement: Force Manipulation I Enhancement: Force Manipulation II Enhancement: Force Manipulation III Enhancement: Force Manipulation IV Enhancement: Force Manipulation V Enhancement: Force Manipulation VI Enhancement: Force Manipulation VII Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence I Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence II Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence III Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Is there anything I'm missing here, or does this look reasonable?Code:Level 1 (AP: 4/4) Repair Manipulation I Improved Concentration I Artificer Crossbow Damage I Level 2 (AP: 7/8) Artificer Intelligence I Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use I Level 3 (AP: 10/12) Warforged Constitution I Artificer Damage Boost I Level 4 (AP: 16/16) Artificer Crossbow Attack I Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge I Artificer Damage Boost II Level 5 (AP: 16/20) Level 6 (AP: 24/24) Artificer Battle Engineer I Artificer Item Defense I Artificer Item Defense II Improved Concentration II Level 7 (AP: 28/28) Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use II Artificer Crossbow Damage II Level 8 (AP: 32/32) Artificer Intelligence II Level 9 (AP: 36/36) Improved Concentration III Racial Toughness I Racial Toughness II Level 10 (AP: 36/40) Level 11 (AP: 44/44) Artificer Intelligence III Force Manipulation I Force Manipulation II Level 12 (AP: 48/48) Improved Concentration IV Racial Toughness III Level 13 (AP: 52/52) Artificer Crossbow Attack II Level 14 (AP: 56/56) Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use III Force Manipulation III Level 15 (AP: 60/60) Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use IV Level 16 (AP: 64/64) Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge II Level 17 (AP: 68/68) Warforged Constitution II Level 18 (AP: 72/72) Force Manipulation IV Force Manipulation V Force Manipulation VI Force Manipulation VII Level 19 (AP: 76/76) Kinetic Spellcasting I Deadly Kinetics I Kinetic Spellcasting II Kinetic Spellcasting III Level 20 (AP: 80/80) Arcane Empowerment Kinetic Spellcasting IV Kinetic Spellcasting V
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07-26-2012, 10:45 PM #38Community Member
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Why on earth do you have points into DEX?
INT man, Int.
And, if you take quicken, and spec force, why all the ap in concentration IV? max out that force line. Item defense? what for?Last edited by Maxallu; 07-26-2012 at 10:48 PM.
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07-26-2012, 10:52 PM #39Community Member
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I agree about blade barrier. That spell is so "useful" in the new content that my evoker went melee as I had minimal options for killing without proper spell pen for my instakills to work very well and enemies just don't move much in the new epics. Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off
As to WF versus not and construct essence versus not...
1. WF are suitable in all raids. There are raids where my helf artificer after removing construct essence had to be healed by healers because there was too much incoming damage and too fast for scroll healing. Epic dq, abbot and epic lob being such examples. Yes, less dps but far more survivability by a long shot. Might also be because I am not a huge fan of wand whipping and swapping to wands as well as scrolls and all that. And not a fan of sf pots (though on WF life I have access to them funny enough).
2. Construct essence makes it easier as you are leveling up, but eventually as you gain more tactical expertise with your artificer... Drop it. It ends up sucking your mana like crazy. Heal scrolls heal far better in solo content and most raids. Yes, dq was a minimal problem with CE and a huge problem without it, but sincerely in situations like that go WF or accept that you will need heals from a divine. Solo content was far better without CE.
I have debated 3rd life DEX 18, int 18, con 12, but even with all the gear I balk at the thought. Starting lower and giving up a level-up or two from int to DEX sounds better than 12 con especially on a WF.Toons on Orien:
Daemonav Atreides: WF artificer (TR 2/14)////Irullan Atreides: human FvS (TR 2/?!?)////Lorrellei Atreides: human ice/acid sorcerer////Aliademon Atreides: elf PM necro/enchant wizzie (TR 2/8)
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07-27-2012, 09:05 AM #40Community Member
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This seems to be a reflexive answer, rather than one that considers the actual spell power changes that have been made. Originally Posted by Maxallu
Firstly, quoting BB crits (against which the mob didn't save) is really showing the best possible outcome, and doesn't factor in frequency and evasion.
With the spellpower changes made, empower adds exactly 56.25 damage to a blade barrier (75 * 0.75) on a non-crit. On a crit, assuming the full kinetic line and greater arcane lore, you have a 2.5x multiplier (this is assuming that kinetic lore doesn't affect bb, only arcance lore does, which I think is correct), or 141 damage [note that this is ~10% of the spell damage you listed, i.e. empower as a feat is now adding 10% damage vs. not having it]. Assuming 18% crit chance, this yields expected incremental damage of 72 where the mob doesn't save (36 on a save, 0 on an evaded save).
Blade barrier is the only arti spell you're likely to be throwing around that has empower on it, so you're purchasing this feat purely for that incremental 72 damage. And, as mob saves increase in epic content, you're less and less likely to see that incremental gain fully.
Also note that the more likely scenario is that a geared arti will have both tovens and lucid / archaic, and therefore will not have a 19ap investment into Force. Assuming a 9 pt investment instead (7/1/1), you're now looking at a crit multiplier of 2x including item, and crit likelihood of 13%. These numbers obviously make empower less useful.
My overall point is this: empower is definitely not a no-brainer feat for an arti, and has to be weighed up against what you don't take instead. I'd rather take any +1 DC feat instead of empower for example, because that will make BB's more likely to hit for full rather than half or zero damage, will add to cc capability with prismatic / tactical, and will add to rune arm damage (again via lower save frequency from mobs).
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