Remove scroll/wand vendors

[Tshober]

You should start by petitioning them to fix raise dead/resurrection spells, to make them more like old-school DnD rules.

Not sure why you directed this at me. I conceeded that this is a battle my side already lost long ago.

But now that you mention it, yes , resurrections should be more traumatic than they are now and there should be a chance to fail.

The OP seems willing to fight this fight and I admire his courage, but I gave up long ago. I am only pointing out that he is not as insane as some here think he is for wanting there to be fewer easy "I WIN" options in the game. I have no intention of trying to persuade the devs that this kind of change should happen. That is a lost cause if there ever was one.

[gphysalis]

Nevermind that they have a stack of 78 heal scolls (and similar stacks of other scrolls for every occasion).

A single stack of heal scrolls?
I have 7 stacks in my inventory...

[xveganrox]

A single stack of heal scrolls?
I have 7 stacks in my inventory...

I carry five. Then again, I'm a rogue :P

[blerkington]

Hi,

Not signed

My main get a lot of mileage out of his UMD skill, and I would like to keep it that way.

That skill would be heavily 'devalued' if these changes were to be made, as would classes which get UMD as a class skill. The 'devalued' argument is very subjective, and it also works both ways.

As someone who also sometimes plays a cleric, I'd very much like to continue to use heal and resurrection scrolls, as well as wands at lower levels, to help with SP conservation. Healing, especially in PUGs, is miserable enough as it is without these tools being taken away.

If you don't like these parts of the game, you are of course free to stop using them yourself.

Thanks.

[Tshober]

If you don't like these parts of the game, you are of course free to stop using them yourself.

You don't need to stop if you never started.

Been called gimp, noob, and every other derogitory term you can imagine for it too. But that's just the MMO world we live in these days. People who prefer to actually challenge themselves are viewed as holding everyone else back and playing the game "wrong".

[Xynot2]

Remove all vendors, all item drops except crafting mats and all forms of currency then go to a 100% craft system. Seriously. When have you ever played a DnD game where vendors were actually useful for more than selling junk and identifying magical items?

/sarcasm off

[Goregnash]

I sacrificed quite a bit of skill points to work up my UMD and the versitility it provides is balanced very very well.

You make it sound like Rangers and other dps classes who have healing spells can main heal quests. You show me a Ranger healing a quest and Ill show you a novelty act with dead party members. Even with Alchemists Crown, my healing is at best self sustaining in a non elite, non epic quest setting. On boss fights I will use it rarely between mass heals from the raid clerics just to keep me afloat.

UMD provides me with a means of somewhat reliable travel, a means of somewhat improved survivability and a little peace of mind. These benifits are conviences at best, just useful enough to take as a primary skill and there are not nearly as many items that buff UMD like there are Ranger and Rogue native skills like search, Disable Traps, Spot, Lock Pick.... etc etc.

[Goregnash]

You don't need to stop if you never started.

Been called gimp, noob, and every other derogitory term you can imagine for it too. But that's just the MMO world we live in these days. People who prefer to actually challenge themselves are viewed as holding everyone else back and playing the game "wrong".

LOL, you want a challenge? Play a pure archer Ranger.

[Havok.cry]

Those claiming stacks of scrolls are un-pnp-ish never saw any of my characters. Bags of holding full of scroll, and an endless scrollcase on every single one. And yes I used those scrolls more than my prepped spells. My prepped spells were for the ah **** moments were something had to be done and it had to succeed. People played very different types of PnP games, so don't kid yourself that all pnp games were like your's. We also had barrels of potion refills (house rule, but equivalent to a pot stack), and casks of alchemists fire and acid ( very nice on beholders and for some reason gives purple worms heartburn.

[Phidius]

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The OP seems willing to fight this fight and I admire his courage, but I gave up long ago.
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Not really, I was just curious as to how other people feel about this topic. Apparently, the majority of forumites enjoy carrying stacks of scrolls and the monopoly of UMD.

Not a problem, I've played this way too for a long time, and I don't mind continuing.

The only thing that really bugs me is how many people are willing to post in a thread when they haven't actually read the original post. I get tired of reposting the same thing over and over...

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I am only pointing out that he is not as insane as some here think he is
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My wife begs to differ

[KillEveryone]

/not signed.

I like my heal scrolls on my bard.

I'd like my rogue to be able to use heal scrolls.

I'd like to be able to scribe any spell into scroll form.

The whole point of scrolls is so that I don't have to memorize spells, especially true if you get the same exact effect that you do with a spell.

I want DDoor in the vendor.

I want all scrolls in the vendors.

My cleric uses scrolls so that I can use SP for other stuff beyond keeping the party alive. NO WAY IN THE 9 HELLS DO I WISH TO GIVE THIS UP!!!!!!!!

I don't care to play your way.

If you don't like scrolls, don't use them. It is that simple. Don't force your play onto me because I don't care for your idea of fun.

[blerkington]

Hi,

Tshober, I think you're making a false equivalence here.

Some of the harder content, in particular certain raids, pretty much requires healers to use scrolls on the main tank if they wish to conserve spell points.

I wouldn't say that the people doing this content aren't challenging themselves. Maybe they prefer not to bankrupt themselves buying mnemonic pots, or maybe they think using no potions is a more worthwhile challenge than avoiding scroll use.

There are different ways to challenge yourself in the game, but that doesn't mean that people who are not doing things the way you think they should be done aren't challenging themselves.

Of course, if you are completing the most difficult content in the game, as a healer, without using potions or scrolls, I apologise in advance. Don't forget to include some screenshots in your reply if you bother with it.

Thanks.

You don't need to stop if you never started.

Been called gimp, noob, and every other derogitory term you can imagine for it too. But that's just the MMO world we live in these days. People who prefer to actually challenge themselves are viewed as holding everyone else back and playing the game "wrong".

[Rian]

LOL, you want a challenge? Play a pure archer Ranger.

I fail to see the dificulty, as I have been playing an archer for...

errr...

how many years has the Titan been out again?

[Bernaise]

The thing about DDO to me is that it occasionally highlights just how poorly portions of the PnP RPG were thought out and implemented. In this case, and I would agree somewhat with the OP. What should be reworked is the impact that UMD has on D&D and subsequently DDO. I suspect UMD either goes way beyond the scope of original intent, or the designer is a munchkin catering to other munchkins to sell books.

[aa7threalm]

what they need to do is-- healing kits

just making up numbers as i go

heal kits = 1d20 roll to heal so you can get 1-20 health point
heal skill= (+1 hp or +2 hp) for every heal skill point

so norm char max out heal skill (1-20)+23skill + modifiers = decent in between battle healing so say 60 hps 6 sec cool down on kits bam,

saves cleric some mana in between fights,
no heal as you go - wizards

of course ad -50% for warforge bam balanced lolz