Why do SOME zergers intentionally hijack quests?

[Eistander]

I've been soloing the new content primarily to get to see the quests in detail before I go out into the wilds of PUG groups these days, if for no other reason that I can take in the look and detail of things (as well as get familiar with the quest) before I get into a group that will more often than not rush to the finish line. But when content becomes familiar territory, then its par for the course to get through it. I paid good money for the expansion, so I will do it on my own time to really get to see the new stuff before it becomes the rote of "zone, haste and go" lol.. I am fully capable of keeping up to zerg runs, but I can't keep a breakneck pace like that forever.. its' burned me out before, so I am instead keeping it selective to when I go and when I 'woah'.

Getting more to the topic at hand, I feel that the key points would be "new to quest" or "need guide" would be flags that zerging is not in the cards.. better to lean on that the leader would want a slower paced run to get the feel for the quest instead of seeing it go by in a blur; doesn't mean that unless they explicitly state that zerging is not an option, that it gives you free reign to do it anyway.. just avoid that LFM, then post your own or wait. Saves a ton of headaches on all sides.

[LazarusPossum]

The question was asked in tells= there was no communications mentioned in the party other than OP's request for clarification when the party was full that received no reply. If OP wanted to lead and assume the responsibility of guide he should have asked for the star when he joined.

I asked in tell before joining, and the rest was repeated questioning in party chat, which the zerger generally ignored. When someone needs a guide, I assume they need a guide, not for me to take over, and I'm ok with that.

As I stated earlier, it would be much easier if more people would be clear in the LFM, and if fewer people would assume too much. As for hijacking a quest...that's just not right.

[LazarusPossum]

After that you say the quest was done "in record time", and I'm not sure whether that's sarcasm, and it actually was slow, or implies your vehement hatred of speed and the feeling that you got cheated because you didn't get to experience the quest at a leisurely pace.

It was done and over pretty darn fast. Probably less than ten minutes, but more than eight.

And no, I didn't feel cheated because I didn't get to experience the quest at a leisurely pace. I felt cheated because I asked first, then signed on for a quest that I was told would take a leisurely pace, and wound up getting what I was specifically trying to avoid by asking first.

I mean -- nobody likes asking if steak is available, being assured you are going to get steak, and winding up with tofu, or the other way around.


Furthermore, I don't really like the term "dumbing down" myself. It appears to be used with the intent to accuse people who want to experience the flavor of the game as being too stupid to handle the content on their own.

[countfitz]

So off topic... after re-reading these multiple times... I just can't help thinking of some poor virgin telling some guy it's her first time, and of course he ASSUMES she'd want to zerg. Because if she wanted it slow she'd say that. Because saying it's her first time isn't enough to get it in his thick skull.

Poor girl.

[9Crows]

doesnt one of the missed optionals in that quest drop those cool broken drow weapons?

[LazarusPossum]

doesnt one of the missed optionals in that quest drop those cool broken drow weapons?

That's what I had heard. Yet another reason I was a little ticked, because I didn't get any sauce with my steak.

[Dragavon]

Before writing this post, and before counting to ten at least three times, I REALLY wanted to send this guy a tell, saying "What in the *multiple bleeps* hell is wrong with you? Didn't you read the LFM?" However, I realized that this would wind up in futility. I think it would have been smarter to dip out once we hit the Forest, once I had a preconception of how things would turn out.

There is only one thing to do when something like this happens imo.

And that is to tell the rest of the group that: Hey, this is not working for me, that guy is ruining my fun for me. Lets recall out and regroup without him so we can enjoy the quest the way we want.

I have done that on a few occasions

[countfitz]

There is only one thing to do when something like this happens imo.

And that is to tell the rest of the group that: Hey, this is not working for me, that guy is ruining my fun for me. Lets recall out and regroup without him so we can enjoy the quest the way we want.

I have done that on a few occasions

The kind of personality that gets bullied probably avoids confrontation too. I'd just say "my kids need something." Just like the leader did

I mean, who believed him?

The zerger would get the hint after a while.

[ninjadwarf_uk]

I explained that in my first post in this thread, "fire timer" doesn't mean "I'm a flower sniffing, no zerg player", it just means someone who is new to the quest. I post first timer in my LFM if I'm new to a quest, doesn't mean I want to break every barrel along the way (unless they are easily accessible and the base xp of the quest is high enough to warrant it).

No, "First Timer, Guide Needed" means that they don't know the quest and need someone to 'show' them the way, in order to guide you need to be with the others to explain what is where, how to avoid the dangers, what mobs live where, how to get to the optionals. Even if you are teaching someone how to Zerg a quest the first time will not be a zerg, because you always need to go slower than normal when teaching.

[tankerschnitzl]

[QUOTE=Saravis;4587841

If you want to "solo" zerg a quest don't bother joining a newbie run.
Either just solo the quest or, if you want to "wax" your epeen, start your own LFM.
with text such as "Lets Zerg!" or "Gawk at my awesomeness!"
[/QUOTE]

This sums it up.

Someone who Zergs in a party (and is the only one doing so) would be equivalent to a party member that ruins a quest for a zerging group. It goes both ways.

Players on here blow my mind as to how stupid people can be. There isn't one standard play style that equals ZERGZERG ZERG. Don't get me wrong, I can go for a zerg group with a strong knowledgeable party, but the LFM was clear, and people that intentionally ruin other peoples game play experience are very idiotic, and probably reflects who they are IRL.

It's amazing how crappy people are to one another.

[Jasparion]

"Doing optionals" and "first timer" aren't exclusive to zerging in my mind.

Zerging generally doesnt involve stopping to explain the various aspects of the dungeon.

Clearly in this case the OP has a legitimate gripe. The dungeon group was built a certain way and someone decided after joining to do it their own way.

[Viisari]

ITT: People who have no idea that zerging and optionals are not mutually exclusive. In fact, if xp is involved, zergers generally want a group that can do conquest, ransack etc and all optionals that are reasonable to do.

The *only* thing zerging means is that stuff gets done and it gets done now and not tomorrow.

[SardaofChaos]

If the LFM does not say "no zerging" that is not a go-ahead to just zerg the same way that if the LFM does not say "no raid loot selling" it's not a go-ahead to try and sell your raid loot in chest. Some leaders may already operate in the way you are assuming. Some will not care. Most of the rest will get annoyed, and some will blacklist you. If something is not specified about the way the quest is going to be done, and you are not 100% sure that the way you assume is the way that everyone does it, then you need to ask.

Ideally it is the responsibility of the party leader to state how the quest will be done, but there will always be those who don't use the LFM description for its intended purpose. When this happens, take it upon yourself to be the better man and make sure that what you intend to do isn't going to ruin anyone else's fun.

[wax_on_wax_off]

The question was clearly asked and responded to. Zerging specificlly mentioned and replied to as well. For people to assume that everyone Zergs is just a sign of how badly this game is played now. It isn't about the enjoyment of the game, but how fast one can get to the end level and tr for another go. These are the reasons why my wife and I usually 2 man everything and disregard general chat and lfms.

That was a private conversation between the OP and the party leader, no indication whether the "zerger" was made aware of that desire.

Got to understand here, I'd not have been the zerger in that group, I'm perfectly capable of taking the temperature of what the group is capable of and adjusting to an appropriate pace though I'd still look for opportunities for me to go and do some objective solo for fun.

However, just like people say I'm an ass for assuming I can run the quest at a pace that I can enjoy so they are an ass for assuming that I'm going to join a quest and not run how I like. If you don't want someone to run how they like and enjoy then post it in the LFM. If you don't communicate then don't expect people to read your mind.

[janave]

Best way to avoid obnoxious people - and those breaking your style of play/pacing - is to learn the lfm's they generally avoid, additionally putting them on your ignore list.

While I disagree the normal pacing of the game is zerging, i do admit the game supports a very dynamic playstyle, ie: mobs are insanely fast, traps/spells trigger instantly, attacks proccing very fast/multiple times etcetc.

On the other hand, dynamic/good pace is not zerging, zerging is the shortest way to completion with or without the optional benefits (up to the scenario).

Some classes are inherently geared towards zerging, a WF:Sorc is a lot more likely to zerg compared to a Halfling Bard . FVS are probably on the top of the list, and barely any plays a healer so may as well tick that icon off (yeah i know its sad), but 95 out of 100 will only wings/fart barrier/wings - repeat.

I met zerging people who thought hitting 3 elite chest in 45sec is a waste of time, and i met zergers who insisted that somone soloes an optional for some extra xp even if it adds some to completion time.

I wouldnt blame the players who adapted to the fast paced playing, since thats exactly what the system supports, it rewards players who get to the finish line quicker. DDO also features some of the biggest facepalm encounter designs i ever met, mobs lined up for a Banshee/Otiluke's is just so...meh

[LazarusPossum]

I also must say that I realize that zerging has its place.

I zerg the hell out of lower level quests when I'm soloing new toons/builds, because I've been there soooooo many times before.

I also pick up the pace with a friend of mine who is either married to the Drow Priestess of Waggro (Ting!) or else he just has a low will save. Either way, I try to help him out by hurrying when I can. Seriously, he says she detests the game, so he usually plays when she's not around.

Otherwise, I'm trying to enjoy the atmosphere. I mean, hey...there are a lot of DDO minions doing some incredible graphics work that takes the place of all the preparation, imagination, and determination that your (hopefully) friendly Dungeon Master was putting into the game experience 25+ years ago (though some still do today). I like to step back and admire their efforts as I quest.

[Ew_vastano]

ITT: People who have no idea that zerging and optionals are not mutually exclusive. In fact, if xp is involved, zergers generally want a group that can do conquest, ransack etc and all optionals that are reasonable to do.

The *only* thing zerging means is that stuff gets done and it gets done now and not tomorrow.

well lets be honest get 29 odd k xp in 3 mins or take 15 mins to make it 32k work the math

[Viisari]

well lets be honest get 29 odd k xp in 3 mins or take 15 mins to make it 32k work the math

The point I was making is that a solid zerg group will get that 32k in the 3mins.

It's true that lesser groups will be better off skipping the optionals.

[wax_on_wax_off]

FYI, being stuck in some corner/trap, with red alert, while some guy is having fun running ahead completing objectives isn't fun.

It depends on the playstyle, I guess. If they want xp/completion/end reward, then it's fine. If they want chests, not so much. If they wanted to have fun, you just wasted 15 minutes of their time by hijacking the LFM.



How about you step your game up instead of dumbing down, and you use your powers of awesomium to make the normal run as casual one for the others, as in help and assist, take care of danger and so on? That'd speed the things up.

Funny thing is running temple of vol this life I was the poor guy stuck in a corner with red alert going while my friends and guildies zerged the hell out of the place at a speed that only barbarian splashed sorcerers can usually manage, it was as much as I could do just to stay alive to open the marut door as my attempt at "contributing", they weren't leaving me anywhere near enough time to get the trap bonus.

I often do play the way you suggest, going at the pace of the party, playing healer, nanny, tank, primary DPS or whatever is needed to get the quest done and I've said in this thread already that I probably wouldn't have been that guy but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to make the point that unless the LFM specifies "no zerging" or something specific that everyone is guilty of making assumptions. The zerging assumes he can do the quest the way he's learned/been taught, other party members assume something different. The only way to avoid these situations is with effective communication and the onus is upon the party leader to communicate, not the party members.

[Lleren]

Every time I read posts about zerging, I wonder what that specific person meant by zerging.

Do they mean moving quickly from room to room doing the quest and leaving your back trail pretty much clear. My own prefered play method, and not something I think of as zerging.

Perhaps the run past most everything method sometimes invis, sometimes not, generally leaving a dangerous backtrail. What I think of as zerging.

Or the guy running off on thier own, around a corner, and into mobs that make them fall down and die, maybe killing a few, maybe getting a few of the party killed, and sometimes raging on the mic. The classic "bad zerger", though the term noob really fits much better.