Lets get some add ons

[eris2323]

Right, blame me that I respond to a post that you incorrectly linked. It seems a lot of your posts/responses revolve going back and editing the OP to ensure people who respond to you look like the one's who do not know what they're talking about as you change previous answers to be more clear.

Yes. He does a lot of editting, after the fact.

Watch yourself.

[V_mad_jester_V]

All I have to get to know you by is your posts on the forum. And almost all of those have boiled down to a way for you to persecute others, in some way. Either with blacklists, or so you can 'educate' people on their dps now?

That's all I need to make a judgement on you... If your suggestions didn't encourage ways for people to grief others, maybe we'd be agreeing more.... As it is, DDO is already unfriendly enough to new players, don't need veterans scaring them away with judgements about their DPS.

Oh yay, Orien! Then I'll not worry - we'll never run into each other.

actually only the dps meter seems to be a way to persecute others, the other add on suggestions i cant fathom can be used to persecute others.

omg you posted yoru auction for this much when your auctioneer said to post it for this much!!

holy **** you didnt see the mark over this guys head but you can see when he has monk symbol! (im sure if they miss the monk symbol their going to miss the mark anyways)

[V_mad_jester_V]

Yes. He does a lot of editting, after the fact.

Watch yourself.

and i will state when i edit

[Truga]

Ed: I saw a good post on this on some blog, I'll have to find that.

Found it: http://www.arena.net/blog/the-golden...f-guild-wars-2

Scroll down to Play the game, not the UI.

In short, the UI should provide the information you need to know to play normally. Everything else needs to come from the game world.

[V_mad_jester_V]

Right, blame me that I respond to a post that you incorrectly linked. It seems a lot of your posts/responses revolve going back and editing the OP to ensure people who respond to you look like the one's who do not know what they're talking about as you change previous answers to be more clear.

actually im blaming you for getting the wrong idea of the post even for what i linked by accident

someone mentioned barbs can do 1k dmg and i responded with

I got killed by a caster who consistently did 1.5k+ dmg to anyone who stepped against him in pvp...so yeah casters did get a lil broke. Got some friends who also play casters only, and they brag how they can now out dps any class in game each of em doing bout 1k dmg depending on the spell. Some spells are broke. As a melee, in pvp, going against a caster, im dead before i can even get close to them cuz most dots kill me in like 2-4 ticks each dealing 300+ dmg...

i didnt say that i wanted the dots nerfed, i was just simply pointing out how much damage was dealt to me, so again not blaming you cuz of my mislink but blaming you for your misinterpretation

[V_mad_jester_V]

All I have to get to know you by is your posts on the forum. And almost all of those have boiled down to a way for you to persecute others, in some way. Either with blacklists, or so you can 'educate' people on their dps now?

That's all I need to make a judgement on you... If your suggestions didn't encourage ways for people to grief others, maybe we'd be agreeing more.... As it is, DDO is already unfriendly enough to new players, don't need veterans scaring them away with judgements about their DPS.

Oh yay, Orien! Then I'll not worry - we'll never run into each other.

oh and instead of editing and adding on i'll do this for you. I didnt suggest nerfing dots, I suggest added expansion packs, suggested a way to eveningstar in a viable manner, i suggested keeping ship buffs from ticking in public, i suggest arti's/mech rogues the ability to upgrade reg crossbows into repeaters, the only ones that seems to be persecution based is teh black list, and to others but not me the dps meter, which again was amended for personal usage, so far thats only 1.5 post that seem to be "persecute" the player game.

[Paryan]

actually im blaming you for getting the wrong idea of the post even for what i linked by accident

someone mentioned barbs can do 1k dmg and i responded with



i didnt say that i wanted the dots nerfed, i was just simply pointing out how much damage was dealt to me, so again not blaming you cuz of my mislink but blaming you for your misinterpretation

Again, kinda funny here.

I responded to the link you provided. The first post with your name was the one you linked above this reply. The tread was titled "Nerf DOT's." You quoted yourself as saying casters are broke. Again, I responded to your post, your quote, in a thread about nerfing DOT's, but then you went back and edited the link to show something else you were talking about because you realized you made a mistake. I commented on your information you provided (even though YOU provided the wrong info to support your case. <----- not my fault, yours).

You supplied the link to support your argument for addons, as per this OP, and I commented about DOTs when the original link didn't do that and you since changed it. You're arguing about the case of me misquoting/ not understanding a topic that has nothing to do with this thread rather than supporting addons. Please bring your thread back on topic.

[eris2323]

oh and instead of editing and adding on i'll do this for you. I didnt suggest nerfing dots, I suggest added expansion packs, suggested a way to eveningstar in a viable manner, i suggested keeping ship buffs from ticking in public, i suggest arti's/mech rogues the ability to upgrade reg crossbows into repeaters, the only ones that seems to be persecution based is teh black list, and to others but not me the dps meter, which again was amended for personal usage, so far thats only 1.5 post that seem to be "persecute" the player game.

Most of your suggestions have already been suggested... a little searching might help you out so we don't have duplicate threads...

just saying

Your views on the game were obvious from your blacklist request. That's really all that matters to me. That one post told me exactly what kind of player you are.

Nicely done!

[V_mad_jester_V]

All I have to get to know you by is your posts on the forum. And almost all of those have boiled down to a way for you to persecute others, in some way. Either with blacklists, or so you can 'educate' people on their dps now?

That's all I need to make a judgement on you... If your suggestions didn't encourage ways for people to grief others, maybe we'd be agreeing more.... As it is, DDO is already unfriendly enough to new players, don't need veterans scaring them away with judgements about their DPS.

Oh yay, Orien! Then I'll not worry - we'll never run into each other.

almost all of those? obviously you only read through the dps meter and the black list post cuz otherwise you would see actually those are the only two instances and again i would not use the dps meter to bust out measuring tape, i would like it more for personal use then party purposes, thats why i amended it to be a personal dps meter.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=384288
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=383618
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=384499
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...=1#post4595088
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=383456&page=3 (not supporting the nerf of dots, i prefer them, just counteracting someones comment with how a caster constantly did 1.5k dmg to me in pvp nothing more, again NOT supporting the nerf of DoTs)
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=384178
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=384316

so far out of 2 topics only 1 seems to be really negative, and the other seems to be slightly negative, but people HAS stated a personal dps counter would be better than a party counter.

[eris2323]

almost all of those? obviously you only read through the dps meter and the black list post cuz otherwise you would see actually those are the only two instances and again i would not use the dps meter to bust out measuring tape, i would like it more for personal use then party purposes, thats why i amended it to be a personal dps meter.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=384288
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=383618
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=384499
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...=1#post4595088
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=383456&page=3 (not supporting the nerf of dots, i prefer them, just counteracting someones comment with how a caster constantly did 1.5k dmg to me in pvp nothing more, again NOT supporting the nerf of DoTs)
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=384178
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=384316

so far out of 2 topics only 1 seems to be really negative, and the other seems to be slightly negative, but people HAS stated a personal dps counter would be better than a party counter.

I'm not really interested in bringing in your other posts into this thread.

I disagree with all of THIS thread.

Defend yourself all you want. Your need for a blacklist and dps meter that you can use to tell people they're not good enough is really all the proof I needed as to what type of player you are.

[Enoach]

One of the reasons I like DDO is the fact that from the beginning they took the stance of not allowing 3rd Party AddOns into the game.

Reasons:

• AddOns require some connection with the game data - Past MMOs that allowed this type of connection opened these applications up for Attack/Abuse and other negative actions. Blizzard had to actually start banning "illegal" addins that gave certain players advantage over others (Diablo and StarCraft)
• Layer of Control - This adds an AddOn police department. For a Company thats a "Cost Center" that does not add profit to the bottom line. Needing to be filled with highly skill White Hats.

In the end I totally agree with Turbines anti-AddOn stance. However, what I would like to see is the ability to port a "Chat Window" to a local text file per session. This would allow me to "parse" my activities, track my Damage Per Swing on my melee actions, Damage Effectiveness of Spells, Loss to DR, Amount of Damage I took over the course of time, Amount of Healing I received (personal vs other) etc.

I believe this was one of the last suggestions that many could agree on when the DPS meter came up last time.

Now on the AH issue, I'm curious why people think others know what something is worth. The best solution is to come up with what you think its worth. A good starting point is to look at the value listed on the item and start with 10% of that (Starting point of selling to a vendor). You can look at what others are posting same/similar items but I'm willing to bet 8 out of 10 times those prices are over-inflated and the item times out.

So I'm sticking with No on 3rd party AddOns

[grayham]

Wow Jester, you sure have some friends on these forums don't you? The map marker isn't a bad idea, and the Spell pen indicator would be handy on an expanded character sheet, an idea I believe Dev's are working on. This would also hopefully include healing amp. Unlike many people who have started 'idea' threads, you have responded to suggestions and made edits. Fair enough.

[V_mad_jester_V]

Again, kinda funny here.

I responded to the link you provided. The first post with your name was the one you linked above this reply. The tread was titled "Nerf DOT's." You quoted yourself as saying casters are broke. Again, I responded to your post, your quote, in a thread about nerfing DOT's, but then you went back and edited the link to show something else you were talking about because you realized you made a mistake. I commented on your information you provided (even though YOU provided the wrong info to support your case. <----- not my fault, yours).

You supplied the link to support your argument for addons, as per this OP, and I commented about DOTs when the original link didn't do that and you since changed it. You're arguing about the case of me misquoting/ not understanding a topic that has nothing to do with this thread rather than supporting addons. Please bring your thread back on topic.

actually i didnt post the link to support my idea for addons, i posted the link in response to

Yes. We get that you don't understand the intricacies of this game yet, and you are stuck in the mentality that everything should mimic generic MMOs.

and

Anyone who says 'know your role' is someone I'll never be partying with, and indicative of a certain... type of player.

You want healbots? Look elsewhere.

You want hastebots? Look elsewhere.

You want bardsongbots? Look elsewhere.

My role is to have fun, and you trying to force me to know what role you want me to play is not fun.

[Lilliana]

Found it: http://www.arena.net/blog/the-golden...f-guild-wars-2

Scroll down to Play the game, not the UI.

In short, the UI should provide the information you need to know to play normally. Everything else needs to come from the game world.

Thanks for the link, it is an interesting read.
I haven't thought of UI in that way, but I do know I get annoyed when it gets in the way of me seeing the world. Skyrim gets a lot of flack for the UI, but I like it, because I can't see it

I appreciate you sharing this, it's a good day when I experience a new interesting thought or learn something new.

[V_mad_jester_V]

Wow Jester, you sure have some friends on these forums don't you? The map marker isn't a bad idea, and the Spell pen indicator would be handy on an expanded character sheet, an idea I believe Dev's are working on. This would also hopefully include healing amp. Unlike many people who have started 'idea' threads, you have responded to suggestions and made edits. Fair enough.

Meh i got infamous cuz of my black list idea, i still stand behind it, did come to a compromise that /squelch should affect accounts not just individual toons. And yeah this one was particularly edited to have compromise and if you read the very first post, you can clearly see where i state edit and where it says (disapproved) or w/e next to dps meter, also has the amended version of the dps meter

One of the reasons I like DDO is the fact that from the beginning they took the stance of not allowing 3rd Party AddOns into the game.

Reasons:

AddOns require some connection with the game data - Past MMOs that allowed this type of connection opened these applications up for Attack/Abuse and other negative actions. Blizzard had to actually start banning "illegal" addins that gave certain players advantage over others (Diablo and StarCraft)
Layer of Control - This adds an AddOn police department. For a Company thats a "Cost Center" that does not add profit to the bottom line. Needing to be filled with highly skill White Hats.


In the end I totally agree with Turbines anti-AddOn stance. However, what I would like to see is the ability to port a "Chat Window" to a local text file per session. This would allow me to "parse" my activities, track my Damage Per Swing on my melee actions, Damage Effectiveness of Spells, Loss to DR, Amount of Damage I took over the course of time, Amount of Healing I received (personal vs other) etc.

I believe this was one of the last suggestions that many could agree on when the DPS meter came up last time.

Now on the AH issue, I'm curious why people think others know what something is worth. The best solution is to come up with what you think its worth. A good starting point is to look at the value listed on the item and start with 10% of that (Starting point of selling to a vendor). You can look at what others are posting same/similar items but I'm willing to bet 8 out of 10 times those prices are over-inflated and the item times out.

So I'm sticking with No on 3rd party AddOns

if not 3rd party add ons then something that Turbine developed themselves

[Paryan]

Wow Jester, you sure have some friends on these forums don't you? The map marker isn't a bad idea, and the Spell pen indicator would be handy on an expanded character sheet, an idea I believe Dev's are working on. This would also hopefully include healing amp. Unlike many people who have started 'idea' threads, you have responded to suggestions and made edits. Fair enough.

Jester, I agree that it's great you're able to take feedback and edit ideas, like the dps meter to a personal meter. The issue I have is the editing. By removing the original content, it gives a reader a difficult time in following the conversation as things that were being discussed are no longer available or present in their original format so now the following discussion may not make as much sense. Now there's a lack of flow to the conversation or no way to see the evolution in one side or another changing their view points or what they're changing it from.

Not telling you you have to keep the original OP intact or whatnot and feel free to post how you want, but the OP, as it stands, is not the same that myself and a few others had been replying to in this thread.

[Truga]

Skyrim UI was pretty bad. But the amount of UI was spot on. It was only there for the inventory and character progression, and some overlay for HP/SP and the compass. Lack of UI when actually fighting and exploring does tons for immersion IMO.

[V_mad_jester_V]

I'm not really interested in bringing in your other posts into this thread.

I disagree with all of THIS thread.

Defend yourself all you want. Your need for a blacklist and dps meter that you can use to tell people they're not good enough is really all the proof I needed as to what type of player you are.

you suggest all my post are about downing people and ostracizing others, in all reality i have made the one thread *the infamous blacklist thread* in the link i have provided i have not suggested anything similar to the blacklist thread, but instead, have supported many ideas out there. You are basing your assumption of me on a single thread. Do i want squelch list to carry over to my other toons, yes, to i want squelch list to be importable/exportable? yes. You tell me off for a black list, but is a squelch list not essentially the same thing? what makes /squelching people any different then suggesting that list be part of the social panel? You wanna know the difference..NOTHING other than that /squelch works on a single toon rather an account. Saw a post on lfm for 2 weeks striaght, for servants of the overlord on hard, everyday it had the same text "tank looking for other tank, have hire" for the first week he posted openly, 3 days he was anonymous, and last few days he was posted as "(insert name) dose not prefer to be the party leader". (so totally offset his being anonymous)

[Enoach]

...

if not 3rd party add ons then something that Turbine developed themselves

Than that would leave it to the user base to come up with "How will this benefit Turbine", not with "How will this benefit me the player".

[V_mad_jester_V]

Jester, I agree that it's great you're able to take feedback and edit ideas, like the dps meter to a personal meter. The issue I have is the editing. By removing the original content, it gives a reader a difficult time in following the conversation as things that were being discussed are no longer available or present in their original format so now the following discussion may not make as much sense. Now there's a lack of flow to the conversation or no way to see the evolution in one side or another changing their view points or what they're changing it from.

Not telling you you have to keep the original OP intact or whatnot and feel free to post how you want, but the OP, as it stands, is not the same that myself and a few others had been replying to in this thread.

yes but i did state within the thread check the amended version of the op, i also state in the op what was ammended and what was disapproved, yet many are still commenting on how a party dps meter would be bad, without giving the original post a single look (its obvious from certain responses). If a person dosent take the time to read the thread, then they shouldnt be posting in it in the first time. When ever i post in a thread i read through every single post, just so i can know what has been stated, whether i agree with anything with it or disagree. But if a person can only be bothered to read the last page and then post "i dont agree with the party dps meter" without seeing the compromise of a personal dps meter, I dont have respect for them. Am i sometimes misinformed? yes i can openly admit that and my facts aren't always 100% sometimes facts i know has changed and i just need to reeducate myself. Sometimes i was just misinformed all together.

also sometimes when i post something i reread it again, didnt like how it sounded and would edit it to go with the flow of the conversation. Its not meant to demonize anyone, but to convey the message i intend to convey.

to anyone who has picked up at this point of the converstation please reread the original post and see that the party dps meter has been amended to personal dps meter