WAIT! SIRETH > eSoS.

[danzig138]

So I ask, wheres the 3x crit multiplier of a spear?

One night, as the drunken spear wandered into a dark alley to relieve itself, a stealthy maul crept up from behind, struck the spear, scoring a lucky hit, and quickly stole the spear's *3 multiplier. It then fled down the alley, cackling with mad glee.

[Qezuzu]

Does it have a cool model?

Even if it's 5% or whatever behind some other weapon, it should be used for the model.

Man I can't wait to run the raid again.

Also, are people taking into account that eSoS has a x3 multiplier, and this spear has a x2? I can't be assed to look at any calculations, but that seems important.

[Jay203]

meh, i hate the featherfalling they put on it
just like that house c rocket boots... >_>

[Qezuzu]

I think probably fleshed out the weapon can have a crit range of 13-20?!!?

A discovery that warrants additional punctuation, I see.

[sirgog]

meh, i hate the featherfalling they put on it
just like that house c rocket boots... >_>

This. Even if it makes thematic sense.

FF just gets so annoying at times.

[SealedInSong]

Lightning Mace Melee Attack: On Hit: 100 Electrical damage. On Critical: Gain +15% enhancement bonus to melee doublestrike for 6 seconds. On Vorpal: 10d100 Electrical damage. Requires a club, greatclub, mace, morningstar, or quarterstaff to be equipped in your main hand.

Moar lightninggg

[Alintalkin]

Perhaps briefly while they don't have aggro? :]

How about my original question, however? What do you veterans recommend in terms of min-maxing an acrobat's DPS with Sireth?

Possible avenues for min-maxed DPS Sireth-wielding acrobat discounting Shillelaugh now thanks to insight from Diyon:

[Assuming enemy blindness and/or good aggro management]
Deadly shadows capstone (14d6 sneak attack)
IC: bludgeon
T6 Dreadnought: Pulverizer
T1 Grandmaster twist: Improved Martial Arts ("+0.5[W] to attacks you make while centered")
T2 Grandmaster twist: Hail of Blows (+3% doublestrike for melee)

Questions here: does Improved Martial Arts require a level of monk or monk dilettante or... just the standard requirements for remaining centered as a monk?
Any recommendations on the third twist? Some of the Fury of the Wild ones look interesting, such as T3 Malicious Weapons ("+[3|6|9]% chance to trigger weapon effects with glancing blows").

I play a 13/6/1 acrobat/kensei/monk with a respectable sustained stunning blow DC of 49 (= 10 base +20 strength modifier +10 stunning weapon/dun'Robar seal +2 T2 Fighter generic enhancement +1 kensei I +6 T1R3 Dreadnought legendary tactics); (Note: strength modifier = 18 base +3 tome +5 level up +2 insightful +1 exceptional +7 enhancement +2 fire stance +5 six tiers Dreadnought +2 half-orc racial enhancement +2 fighter class enhancement +2 rage +2 single stack madstone = 50 strength or +20 ability modifier). It lands almost every time in Demonweb epic-hard and not so much on epic-elite. The use of Titan gloves and double madstone can increase the DC by 4.

The ability to reliably stun an opponent every 15 seconds with Sireth (and a +10 stunning Seal of dun'Robar) in addition to some of the enhanced-damage-to-helpless destiny features of Dreadnought could make for some very potent DPS/CC.

Barbarians are fun but I'd much rather have my acrobat build in a general quest (not a whack-a-boss raid like VoD) for DPS and versatility than a barbarian.

For third twist I would say possibly grim precision (shadowdancer) for 15% fort bypass, might not be useful in every situation but good for raiding

Edit: or perhaps if you really need to hit technician (shadow dancer): +6 to hit when flanking, with the added bonus of +6 search/DD/spot/OL, but I still think that grim precision is loads better

[sirgog]

Lightning Mace Melee Attack: On Hit: 100 Electrical damage. On Critical: Gain +15% enhancement bonus to melee doublestrike for 6 seconds. On Vorpal: 10d100 Electrical damage. Requires a club, greatclub, mace, morningstar, or quarterstaff to be equipped in your main hand.

Moar lightninggg

Because in a Demon dominated endgame, Moar Lightninggg! is exactly what we need.


(Crit proc rocks though if it works as stated)

[SealedInSong]

For third twist I would say possibly grim precision (shadowdancer) for 15% fort bypass, might not be useful in every situation but good for raiding

Great idea, thanks.

[SealedInSong]

Because in a Demon dominated endgame, Moar Lightninggg! is exactly what we need.
(Crit proc rocks though if it works as stated)

I'd argue that the lightning damage is still pretty useful in the Demonweb. The demonweb has a lot of drow, souls of stuff, spiders, more spiders, draegoloth and such that aren't immune to lightning. Can't remember if bebeliths are or not but I don't think they are.

There are lots of lightning-susceptible monsters in the Demonweb and still lots of non-demon content out there. It's a nice ability even if just for the doublestrike buff.

[Wraith_Sarevok]

Because in a Demon dominated endgame, Moar Lightninggg! is exactly what we need.


(Crit proc rocks though if it works as stated)

12 second cooldown and hits only 1 target.

I wouldn't waste my APs on it even if I WAS specced to use bludgeoning weapons. Advancing Blows does way more than those 3 worthless elemental abilities.

[SealedInSong]

This. Even if it makes thematic sense.

FF just gets so annoying at times.

The underwater action on Tinah is particularly dreadful. Enchantment bonuses being taken up by utility mods that I want toggled OFF most of the time on a relic weapon of a weapon class with limited love? Okay Turbine. Go back to nerfing FoM :[

[DevHead]

I will change my HOrc Earth Stance q-staff user (18 monk/2 ftr soon to be Leg Dread) into Lawful Good...just for this weapon.

[alexp80]

Of course the esos is horrible in the hands of an acrobat/monk twist.

An acro monk build will never bypass an esos wielding barb/kensai though in terms of pure dps though with this weapon.

also roll up a toon around a single situational weapon is a real bad choice.

/not impressed.

To make good use of this weapon you have to gimp yourself

[DevHead]

also roll up a toon around a single situational weapon is a real bad choice.

/not impressed.

To make good use of this weapon you have to gimp yourself

I don't agree with you there; my horc light monk only uses q-staves (yes, really) in earth stance and he's a total beast. I didn't roll him around a single weapon, though; on that point, I agree with you.

[LeLoric]

12 second cooldown and hits only 1 target.

I wouldn't waste my APs on it even if I WAS specced to use bludgeoning weapons. Advancing Blows does way more than those 3 worthless elemental abilities.

I would take that one if I primarily used Sireth mainly for the doublestrike. 15% double strike is a huge dps bonus and you'll get it upwards of 40% of the time. The lightning dmg is secondary here.

Advancing blows is awesome but its not an either or situation I have found I either take one of these or a str bonus and any of them are by far better than +1 str.

These abilities are much better on twf than thf by far as you get multiple procs off each use.

[TreknaQudane]

Because in a Demon dominated endgame, Moar Lightninggg! is exactly what we need.


(Crit proc rocks though if it works as stated)

For what it's worth the queen demon of the... demonweb ... is actually an aberration in the raid.

[Cetus]

I'm not really impressed with that quarterstaff from a pure damage dealers perspective.

An esos swinging barb or fighter will still dominate, if you're concerned with DR breaking you always got the red slot to play with, not to mention the fact that in order to grab pulverizer thats 2 destiny points that the Esos user has to play with elsewhere, which, is probably translating into a source of dmg.

[Moltier]

In the hands of a proper acro/monk/ED twist build I think it can be superior to the eSoS in all situations.

And in the hand of a barbarian, since almost all FB gives is equal for the staff, plus the staff have a slightly faster attack speed. But of course you have to be good, and only vs non electric resist/immune mobs.

In the hand of a kensei, the SoS is almost always better, since kensei gives crit range, seeker which both benefits the sos more.

[Matuse]

The underwater action on Tinah is particularly dreadful. Enchantment bonuses being taken up by utility mods that I want toggled OFF most of the time

Just curious, but under what circumstances are you benefited by having underwater action turned off?