12 fighter / 6 ranger / 2 rogue dwarf

[pyntsized]

So my main is finishing up his second life, and next life i'd like to go kensai II / tempest I with a aplash of rogue so I can successfully disable traps on norm/hard for sure, elite with moderate success would be nice. However, I got no clue where to look for a dwarven axe toting kensai/tempest disable. Anyone care to help me out with a build or a link to one?

THX

(first life was a monk, then wiz)

[Hobgoblin]

Are you stuck on a kensi?

this is still going for dps - take all dps feats for a fighter - go with stalwart instead.

you have a perm +4 str/con and you can still use your titans grips.

hob

[Hephaistor]

I would go 12ranger/7fighter/1rogue, 12ranger/7rogue/1fighter(or monk) or 12figther/7rogue/1ranger(or monk)

Six levels of ranger wont get you much: You need a lot of feats to get tempestI and 17 dex for greater two weapon fighting. Your spells are weak and dont last for long (no 30-resists). With 12 levels of ranger you can dump dex (as you can get greater TWF with tempestII), your spells are better (full resists and rams might for 12 minutes and you can even selfheal a bit) and you get 100% offhand attacks. 7 levels of fighter or rogue get you haste boostIII with is a great increase in DPS. Rogue gets a lot of sneak attack damage and uncanny dodge, Fighter gets you kensaiI and some feats.

This is my current Dwarfen Tempest-Kensai-Trapper and I love to play him because it's such a versatile toon:

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Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(1 Fighter \ 7 Rogue \ 12 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 350
Spell Points: 140 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 17
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            14                    18
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    12
Concentration         4                    14
Disable Device        3                    25
Hide                  2                     8
Jump                  7                    12
Move Silently         2                     8
Open Lock             6                    27
Search                3                    25
Spot                  3                    23
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Giant Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Level 4 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard
Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Level 8 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot
Level 10 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy
Level 11 (Ranger)
Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 13 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Level 14 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Level 16 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot
Level 17 (Rogue)
Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Level 19 (Ranger)

Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct II
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II

And this is what he will look like on his fighter life:

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Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(12 Fighter \ 7 Rogue \ 1 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 372
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    13
Concentration         4                     8
Disable Device        6                    26
Hide                  6                     8
Jump                  7                    12
Move Silently         6                     8
Open Lock             6                    27
Search                6                    29
Spot                  3                    23
Use Magic Device      3                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Giant Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder
Level 5 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Level 8 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 11 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Level 14 (Rogue)
Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Level 17 (Rogue)
Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) II
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II

And the third option I mentioned:

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Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(7 Fighter \ 1 Rogue \ 12 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 394
Spell Points: 140 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    28
Dexterity            12                    16
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    11
Bluff                -2                     0
Concentration         4                     7
Diplomacy            -2                     0
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle               -2                    -1
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  5                     7
Intimidate           -2                     0
Jump                  7                    12
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         5                     7
Open Lock             5                     9
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    27
Spot                  3                    23
Swim                  4                     9
Tumble                2                     4
Use Magic Device      2                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Giant Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Level 5 (Ranger)
Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard
Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot
Level 8 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy
Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Level 10 (Fighter)
Level 11 (Ranger)
Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Level 13 (Ranger)
Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot
Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder
Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

All this buils have in common: Max two weapon fighting with anything I could fit in to increase the damage and offhand attack rate, max trap skills and umd because that's why I multiclass, some strategy from the kensai part like improved sunder and stunning blow. All this builds are dps with reasonable HP, but defenetly no tanks. It's always funny to hear "tanks" talk about their high HP while you get the traps, stunn the mobs, throw healscrolls, pass out resists and raise them when needed (And on the builds with 7 rogue levels some thread reduction is needed or you will grab the aggro from medicore tanks)

[unbongwah]

If you really want trap skills on a Kensai II, I would go with the ftr 12 / rogue 7 / <splash> 1 build; that lets you get away with low INT so you won't gimp your DPS while still getting enough skill pts. Plus you get some extra SA DPS and Uncanny Dodge, which is a lot more useful than it used to be (25% Dodge and it's on a timer rather than being limited-use-per-rest).

Base stats: something like 18 / 15 / 18 / 10 / 8 / 6 w/lvl-ups into STR. [Could start DEX 14 INT 12 if you took a +3 DEX tome before TRing.] Put your skill pts into UMD, Search, and Disable with leftovers wherever you like (Balance, Open Lock, and/or Spot are good options). Feats (not in order): TWF x3, Kensai pre-reqs (WF/WS/GWS), Toughness, Power Atk, Cleave, GC, IC:Slash, OC:Slash, epic Toughness (after +3 CON tome). Should have 3 or 4 feats remaining; I like tactics such as Imp Sunder & Stunning Blow; could also pick up Power Crit for a bit more DPS (+2 Seeker bonus finally) and Precision for fighting high-AC high-fortification targets; maybe SF UMD to goose that a bit.

I don't know what the best light armor is these days, but Marilith Chain is now light and it's hard to go wrong with +6 Seeker & Shatter bonuses (+10 epic).

[KainLionheart]

Hiya

This is what I would go with. On one of my toons past lives I had 2 rouge levels with about 5 in open lock and disable device, with the right gear he could disable traps in some elite content and easily in norm and hard.
In this build I've given you 9 in each (just max one at each rogue level) and then a bit of freedom to do what you like. I like balance usually but you will want to invest more heavily in search (and possibly spot, although by now you probably know where most trap boxes are) and get yourself an epic treasure hunters spyglass with TS and 20 search and spot.

At level 21 take Overwhelming Critical Slashing
At level 23 take Epic toughness
At level 24 take a point in Strength
At level 25 take Great Strength, (Note I am not 100% sure you get a feat at level 25 but I am sure you do, I cannot find anything to confirm or deny it though so I could be wrong)

You may have an odd ending strength (depending on tomes) for which I would reccomend using the PDK Gloves and helm which give you +9 strength in total. With this build you can either go with light armor, (I would suggest the http://ddowiki.com/page/Hide_of_the_Goristro) which will still give you evasion, or for something heavier the PDK plate armor or the epic cav plate.
Considering your past lives I'm assuming you do not have stock piles of fighter gear, so all the above is nice and easy to get.

You'll notice +1 tomes are taken at level 2 and +2's at 6. This is because when you TR the tomes take actually effect at levels 3 and 7 instead of being used then.

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Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 442
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 16
Will: 6

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             18                 23                   26
Dexterity            15                 17                   18
Constitution         18                 22                   24
Intelligence         10                 12                   12
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma              6                  8                    8

Tomes Used
[COLOR=silver]+1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+9)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Skill: Open Lock (+9)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Critical


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

[unbongwah]

At level 25 take Great Strength, (Note I am not 100% sure you get a feat at level 25 but I am sure you do, I cannot find anything to confirm or deny it though so I could be wrong)

At present we 're supposed to get two feats (lvls 21 & 24) and one stat pt at lvl 24 - i.e., continuing same progression as Heroic lvls. But the stat pt was bugged on release and we weren't getting it; haven't checked to see if the patch added that in yet.

[pyntsized]

Thank you all for replying.
@Hobgoblin
I've considered that before when I was contemplating a dps hate tank, using khopeshes up to lvl 20, then respeccing to bastard swords once I got 2 epic chimera fangs. And now that I think about it, a stalwart/sentinel hate tank might work.
@heph-whatever-the-end-of-your-name-is (I forgot :P)
Those builds look nice, however it, IMO, would be better to go 12/6/2 because 2nd level in a class usually gives bonuses
(monk/rogue evasion, ranger TWF etc.) so I might roll a 28 pt version of one of these to try it out.

@everyone else
- no titans grip possible for me
- +2 tomes in all but cha and (wis/str, not sure)
- lvls 21-25 will be far off b/c my highest packs are vale, DD, and reavers
THX

[KainLionheart]

At present we 're supposed to get two feats (lvls 21 & 24) and one stat pt at lvl 24 - i.e., continuing same progression as Heroic lvls. But the stat pt was bugged on release and we weren't getting it; haven't checked to see if the patch added that in yet.

Thanks, that changes a lot I thougth we got three feats at epic.

The More You Know

[Hephaistor]

Thank you all for replying.
@heph-whatever-the-end-of-your-name-is (I forgot :P)
Those builds look nice, however it, IMO, would be better to go 12/6/2 because 2nd level in a class usually gives bonuses
(monk/rogue evasion, ranger TWF etc.) so I might roll a 28 pt version of one of these to try it out.

That's true, but level 7 gives some nice things over level 6 too (mostly enchantment) like haste boost3, Sneak attack dice, sneak attack training (togehter thats 1d6+3 extra damage), subtel backstabbing and wrack construct on a rogue.

[Malky]

Are you stuck on a kensi?

this is still going for dps - take all dps feats for a fighter - go with stalwart instead.

you have a perm +4 str/con and you can still use your titans grips.

hob

Hmm stalwart bonuses also have their stacking issues, and lock you out of getting buffs like rage, primal scream and madstone...