Intimidate thresholds for MOTU

[Carpone]

According to http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...25&postcount=1, epic elite Lord of Blades requires an Intimidate between 105-107. Previously 82 intimidate was required for no-fail. So how do we get there now?

Self-buffed
23 heroic skill ranks
5 epic skill ranks
5 Unyielding Sentinel V
20 Epic Brawn's Spirits
5 Epic Gloves of the Claw
6 CHA skills Green Steel accessory
4 Greater Heroism
2 Good Luck
4 Improved Intimidate
2 Past Life: Berserker's Fury
3 Skill Focus: Intimidate
6 Draconic Incarnation (Tier 1 twist of fate)
6 Stalwart Defender III
9 CHA bonus (28 CHA: 14 base + 3 tome + 7 item + 2 ship/cookie + 2 yugo)
2 Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
4 Deneith Intimidate (requires Least, Lesser and Greater Dragonmarks of Sentinel)
2 Coin Lord Finishing School
2 Bulheaded feat
2 Past Life: Student of the Sword
4 Large guild slot shield
= 116 Intimidate, requiring 7 feats, 8 AP and Human. Non-humans cap at 110 Intimidate, requiring 4 feats and 4 AP. Both require a Fighter past life, Barbarian past life, a level 70 guild and an insane destiny XP grind from Unyielding Sentinel to Draconic Incarnation.

So much for Defender of Siberys intimidate tanks.

[FrozenNova]

We can get Coinlord finishing school in this breakdown for what it's worth.

[Carpone]

We can get Coinlord finishing school in this breakdown for what it's worth.

Added, thanks!

[Chette]

Yes, my guildies ran an EE lob last week and I was shocked to hear their report on the intimidate DC. I did everything within my power to max our the intimidate on my monk-tank, while still maintaining reasonable to-hit and good AC, and can barely scrape 80. I might as well not have any at all with these numbers.

But since her damage mitigation is about half that of the defender tanks. who can get the same dodge as her, but with much higher AC and PRR, I guess she was dead in the water even before this

[Faent]

According to http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...25&postcount=1, epic elite Lord of Blades requires an Intimidate between 105-107.

That's a bit ridiculous. I could see pushing it up to 90 and maybe even 95. But 105-107 is just stupid.

[Carpone]

That's a bit ridiculous. I could see pushing it up to 90 and maybe even 95. But 105-107 is just stupid.

It would have been totally reasonable to increase from 82 to 92 with the +5 available from Unyielding Sentinel V and +5 from epic levels.

What I despise with this change: Only a Human Stalwart Defender III can hit the Intimidate mark. Defender of Siberys III doesn't have the number of feats necessary, nor does the PrE provide Intimidate bonuses. Only the Dragonmark of Sentinel is available to Humans.

You can add Past Life: Student of the Sword (+2), large guild slot tower shield (+4), Inspire Competence (+2), Bullheaded (+2)...that's 10 more, but I still think the benchmark is ridiculous.

I run with so few bards that I could never count on Inspire Confidence. Fatesinger can also provide a single target +8 CHA bonus, I believe. I've added the other two to the list, thanks.

[sephiroth1084]

It would have been totally reasonable to increase from 82 to 92 with the +5 available from Unyielding Sentinel V and +5 from epic levels.

What I despise with this change: Only a Human Stalwart Defender III can hit the Intimidate mark. Defender of Siberys III doesn't have the number of feats necessary, nor does the PrE provide Intimidate bonuses. Only the Dragonmark of Sentinel is available to Humans.

Agreed. For one, I really do think that Defender of Siberys should get Intimidate bumps. The PrE was designed before paladins got Intim as a class skill, and now that they have it, it isn't well supported. As it is, SD gains passive DR, a little more AC (or did), and the Intimidate. If the devs want to keep them somewhat differentiated, give DoS +1 Intim per rank, instead of +2. That closes the gap a little at least, though I think it's unnecessary.

I run with so few bards that I could never count on Inspire Confidence. Fatesinger can also provide a single target +8 CHA bonus, I believe. I've added the other two to the list, thanks.

Oh, and that brings up the Epic bard feat, for +4 Cha (+3 I think if it doesn't stack with the old +1 exceptional from ToD rings and the like). That would be another +2, or +1.

[morticianjohn]

I also think that 107 intim requirement is a bit too high if you max out on 108 stars aligned. 6 feats, 3 gear slots, a ton of AP, and skill points.... probably not worth it to go through all that trouble....

[Dragaer]

Just another example that they do not understand their own game.

[giggiddy]

LOL This is completely silly. My tank through a lot of work was able to no fail intim epic LOB before the update. I am not going to redo all my feats again so I can intimidate the next titan raid.

This raid will not be run in 6 months from now except by the occasional people looking to make monk handwraps

Everything else in MoTU makes the loot **** and easier to acquire.

[Ape_Man]

. . . I am not going to redo all my feats again so I can intimidate the next titan raid.

And that's pretty much it, it's just not worth gimping a toon to be able to do. it's like the EVON5 trap DCs when that first came out.

I could see a 10 point increase from old epic considering all the new toys we have to play with but 107 intim is just plain dumb.

[sephiroth1084]

This is stupid.

There really isn't much more to say. We shouldn't have to go all-in on Intimidate just to get it to work with enough reliability for it to be worth focusing on. This was the problem with AC that prompted the huge revision to the combat interaction system!

[lugoman]

Large guild slot shield will get another +4, think a bard song can bump it also. Does the epic skill ranks increase intim? Was pretty sure I was at 78 unbuffed before the expansion and am still there now, but I may have moved some items around.

Maybe they want a raid that cant be 100% intim'ed and want people to control their own agro?

[Faent]

Maybe they want a raid that cant be 100% intim'ed and want people to control their own agro?

Maybe they just made up numbers?

[sephiroth1084]

You can add Past Life: Student of the Sword (+2), large guild slot tower shield (+4), Inspire Competence (+2), Bullheaded (+2)...that's 10 more, but I still think the benchmark is ridiculous.

[emptysands]

If MOTU CE, the Epic Spider Cult Mask +1 all skills.

[emptysands]

It is (barely) possible on a Human 5Epic/18Paladin/2Monk or 2Fighter. On others if you drop Power Attack and/or Maximise. APs might be tight though, with Paladin Charisma II.

Likely todo less dps and hate tank via Divine Righteousness.

1:   Power Attack
1h: Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
3:   THF or TWF
6:   Maximise
9:   IC: Slashing
12:  ITHF or ITWF
15:  GTHF or GTWF
15M: PL: Barb
16M: Combat Expertise
18:  Shield Mastery

21:  Improved Shield Mastery
24:  Improved Shield Bash or SF:Intimidate

23 heroic skill ranks
5 epic skill ranks
5 Unyielding Sentinel V
20 Epic Brawn's Spirits
5 Epic Gloves of the Claw
6 CHA skills Green Steel accessory
4 Greater Heroism
2 Good Luck
4 Improved Intimidate
6 Draconic Incarnation (Tier 1 twist of fate)
11 CHA bonus (16 +2(tome) +7(item) +1(excp) +2(ship) +2(yugo) = 28 +2(tome) =30+2(Paladin Charisma II) =32)
2 Coin Lord Finishing School
4 Large guild slot shield
1 Epic Spider Mask
2 Past Life: Berserker's Fury (instead of toughness)
3 Skill Focus: Intimidate
2 Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
1 Deneith Intimidation I
=106
Possible Buffs
2 Inspire competence (untyped)
2 Monk (Fire - Light - Fire) (untyped 60sec)
=110


Unlikely buffs
5 Monk (Void - Light - Void) (insight 15 sec)
5 Skill Boost IV (20sec)


Probably switch the dragonmark for this to get the MDB boost.
2 Past Life: Student of the Sword

The biggest issues Paladin tanks have is the CE makes their self-heals less effectively. Note the capstone is replaced by US Tier 4: Purify weapon. On analysis the lack of tactics, really reduce the depth on a Paladin. They should definitely get better intimidate bonuses.

Note: Personally I'd go 2 Monk with Epic Rakshasa Hide for two feats and evasion.

[emptysands]

Self-buffed
23 heroic skill ranks
5 epic skill ranks
5 Unyielding Sentinel V

I've been C&P your numbers, but I'm wondering which ability gives "5 Unyielding Sentinel V".

[sephiroth1084]

The Unyielding Sentinel epic destiny.

[emptysands]

The Unyielding Sentinel epic destiny.

I figured that - but I don't see on ddowiki which ability at tier 5 actually offers an intimidate bonus. I havent really touched my Paladin, so I haven't had a chance to check it myself in game.

Hardened? Ward against evil or Anoint weapon - unlikely?