Monk LRing after Motu, need advice

[Therigar]

A hypothetical situation...

STR build: 50 AC. Dex build: 55 AC. Enemy to-hit: 40.
Old system: 50% vs. 25% hit chance.
New system: 51% vs. 46% hit chance.

Enemy to-hit: 49.
Old system: 95% vs. 75% hit chance.
New system: 60% vs. 54% hit chance.

I think perhaps you are seeing things, or have something beyond AC different between the two defensively.

You missed something in my previous posts. And that is this; the STR build initially had the better AC.

As a result it was the STR build that was getting hit only 25% and the DEX build that was getting hit 50% (to use your hypothetical situation) in the old system. That began to change as both characters reached L20 (still pre U14) as the DEX build finally overcame the STR build in AC. When U14 hit the DEX build had ~4 AC more than the STR build. And, until U14 went live the STR build was still preferred by me for running all existing content.

With U14 running through to Eveningstar on epic normal was no challenge to the DEX monk. It was challenging on the STR monk. Now, you could be right that it is something more than just the AC change. But, that is what it seems like to me.

[azrael4h]

To update, the extra Dodge going Dodge/Mobility/Spring Attack is noticeable, making up for my lack of gear when running around Shavarath. I don't notice much difference in to-hit, though Precision should give some advantage when/if I hit some higher AC mobs. Highest I've fought since the LR is the Bladesword Paladins in House C explorer, which my guildy has reported as having issues hitting on her Rogue.

[Bforgiven]

I've been playing with a few monks in our guild recently and have been pretty impressed with them. This thread caught my eye and I would love to see the "Dex Build". Is there another thread someone could point me to on how to build a first life Monk?

Note that I did play around with the character planner a bit today, but am thinking a bit of reading and prep work would do wonders and have me waste much less time.

Much appreciated!

[Taimasan]

I've been playing with a few monks in our guild recently and have been pretty impressed with them. This thread caught my eye and I would love to see the "Dex Build". Is there another thread someone could point me to on how to build a first life Monk?

Note that I did play around with the character planner a bit today, but am thinking a bit of reading and prep work would do wonders and have me waste much less time.

Much appreciated!

I will build you a good monkey, basically you want something sturdy and strong, gimme a race and I will name a build and post it tomorrow with detail, I also plan on positing my own.

[Bforgiven]

Helf (Barb Dil?) or Horc seem to make sense. I love Helf's but I currently only have one Horc. After further reading last night, the WIS build to get to 23 seems darn good and fun (trying to balance the two out). I am still interested in knowing the difference in what the DEX/STR/WIS builds are and/or do.

Thanks again!

[Therigar]

I've been playing with a few monks in our guild recently and have been pretty impressed with them. This thread caught my eye and I would love to see the "Dex Build". Is there another thread someone could point me to on how to build a first life Monk?

Note that I did play around with the character planner a bit today, but am thinking a bit of reading and prep work would do wonders and have me waste much less time.

Much appreciated!

The monk I'm playing at the moment has the following:

STR 24 (base 13 + 1 stat increase + 3 tome + 7 enchanted)
DEX 40 (base 17 + 5 stat increases + 3 tome + 2 feat + 13 enchanted)
CON 28 (base 14 + 3 tome + 3 feat + 8 enchanted)
INT 12 (base 9 + 3 tome)
WIS 32 (base 15 + 3 tome + 5 feat + 9 enchanted)
CHA 12 (base + 3 tome)

I'm currently working the Unyielding Sentinel destiny with 3 CON selections in the tree. If I switch over to Grandmaster of Flowers I twist in 1 CON dropping CON to 26. But, I add 4 DEX and 2 WIS bringing them to 44 and 34.

My fortification is currently 150% and I have DR 10/epic (no use in epic content). The character has AC 80 (10 base + 15 DEX + 9 armor + 10 natural armor + 5 deflection + 4 miscellaneous + 15 centered + 1 size). Spell resistance is 30 while saves are Fortitude 37, Reflex 43 and Will 39.

If I change to Grandmaster of Flowers my saves change to 34, 43 and 38, AC drops to 78 and fortification drops to 110%. My dodge is 13% and I have 662 HP (712 with Unyielding Sentinel).

I wear the Sun Soul set from the Villager commendations, the Lenses and Boots of the Woodsman, epic Ring of the Buccaneer, Minos Legens, Purple Dragon Gauntlets, ring of Natural Armor +5, Sustaining Symbiont and min L9 Silver Flame Amulet.

As you can tell, this is a less than ideal gear set but I have no real issues running epic content, even epic elite content.

This is a first life halfling character.

[Fecerak]

Just curious - How much damage do you do per hit?

My monk is currently wis based, but I feel like my dps is fairly lackluster (which probably is a lot due to gear). Seems like other monks do 50-70 damage per hit+effects while i'm at around 25-30ish+effects.

EDIT: Getting level 21 definately helped though, as I gained 2.5W per hit which is 8.75 points of damage a hit.

What wraps do people generally use nowadays (other than the LoB ones)?

[Therigar]

Just curious - How much damage do you do per hit?

My monk is currently wis based, but I feel like my dps is fairly lackluster (which probably is a lot due to gear). Seems like other monks do 50-70 damage per hit+effects while i'm at around 25-30ish+effects.

EDIT: Getting level 21 definately helped though, as I gained 2.5W per hit which is 8.75 points of damage a hit.

What wraps do people generally use nowadays (other than the LoB ones)?

From the ship board training dummy, using +5 Holy Burst of Pure Good wraps, my numbers ran from a low of 33 to a high of 48. Using +3 Smiting my low was 21 my high 60.

My guess based on the order they proc'd is that the low was an off-hand as it happened on the same attack that produced the 60. Also, although there were several criticals none confirmed.

That puts the average damage at right around 40 per hit plus effects.

FWIW, I'm currently sitting at L24 but not in Grandmaster of Flowers destiny but have A Dance of Flowers twisted over for 1.5[W].

[slimkj]

This is not a troll, but I'm curious why many people seem to be running Dex monks at the moment. What gives? I can't see a good reason to move away from STR/WIS.

[Kielbasa]

What wraps do people generally use nowadays (other than the LoB ones)?

Great question, I'll start and I'd love to hear what other people are using as well. I have about 5 main handwraps that I use. Of note I'm a light monk with a holyburst ToD ring so dr breaking is not an issue. I don't have any LoB ones yet sadly.

Grave Wrappings- my go to wraps now, useful in most situations

Banishing of Greater Evil Outsider Bane- great for elementals,shroud and I think they work in VoD as well. I tried these in ToD when I first got them but immune pops up. So sadly not useful for ToD or Malicia in the Big Top.

Holy Burst of Disruption- undead beaters until I get pair a epic wraps of endless light if they ever change the Halloween event so I can stomach it.

Vicious of Smiting- constructs that cannot be stunned and great for shroud portals

Calomel wraps lv16 T2 with screaming and pure good crafted- go to damage wraps when things cannot be dealt with some other way. With a holy burst ring its like a pair of cheap greensteel wraps only 8 levels later. I've tried the epic version of these wraps but the randomness of both crushing waves and corrosive salt turned me off.

Metalline Wraps for Stormreaver


Before I looted the grave wrappings my go to pair were some icy burst/shocking burst of stunning 10 wraps. I've been looking for some upgrades or other options myself as well but as a monk its mostly random loot luck of the draw. Been trying to get some thaarak wraps for a while now but with the nightmare nerf not sure if its worth it. Even before the nerf I rarely saw PK proc when testing a pair of nightmare wraps in the Kings forest and other epic quests. Stunning things always seems the most efficient way to kill.

This is not a troll, but I'm curious why many people seem to be running Dex monks at the moment. What gives? I can't see a good reason to move away from STR/WIS.

It's not so much that there are more dex monks as there are more wisdom based monks now due to vorpal strikes which requires 23 wisdom thus it is much more difficult to up your strength if you go for that feat. Can anyone confirm if they have fixed this feat yet? Personally I'm still deciding how I want to use my free lesser rebirth knowing if it works would help me think about trying a wisdom based monk before I TR.

[slimkj]

It's not so much that there are more dex monks as there are more wisdom based monks now due to vorpal strikes which requires 23 wisdom thus it is much more difficult to up your strength if you go for that feat. Can anyone confirm if they have fixed this feat yet? Personally I'm still deciding how I want to use my free lesser rebirth knowing if it works would help me think about trying a wisdom based monk before I TR.

Ah ok. I am curious why Dex over Str, though. Possibly pre-existing race choice.

Try Wis based, Vorpal Strikes working or not. You will love it. Dark STR/WIS is where all the Monk joy is to be found, imo. I've played a lot of varieties of Monk now and this is where I've settled (for now).

AFAIK it's not fixed yet but I've not tested in personally.