Is it possible? 28pt Monkcher?

[Dokfin]

Is it possible to create a 28 point monkcher which is an elf? don't have 32 point. can get numerous tomes if need. and Please make a template for me to follow. Future Thank you for your help ^^

[unbongwah]

Sure, (almost) all builds are possible w/28 pts. Maybe not advisable, but possible. Apart from monk, do you have access to any other P2P classes (i.e., artificer)? Did you want to go STR- or WIS-based? You say "numerous" tomes, but which ones (+1/2/3/4)?

[Fungi]

do you have half-elf? you could go 15/10/14/16 (as an elf) 11 ranger 6 monk 3 rogue/art/fighter/monk

[Dokfin]

Sure, (almost) all builds are possible w/28 pts. Maybe not advisable, but possible. Apart from monk, do you have access to any other P2P classes (i.e., artificer)? Did you want to go STR- or WIS-based? You say "numerous" tomes, but which ones (+1/2/3/4)?

I only have access to monk and fvs. I don't mind on going STR or WIS base for this archer and anything easy would great. And I can get +2 tomes for any stats or +1s

[Dokfin]

do you have half-elf? you could go 15/10/14/16 (as an elf) 11 ranger 6 monk 3 rogue/art/fighter/monk

I only have elf unfortunately and I do not have arti. :L

[Fungi]

So you can do the 11 ranger 6 monk build and drop dex or you can drop str and go 12 monk 6 ranger 2 fighter (8/17/14/8/16/8) You would want a +2 dex and con tome for the 12 monk build. I would look at some of waxs builds the 11 ranger will definitly be easier stat wise which is good for a 28 point build.

[Dokfin]

So you can do the 11 ranger 6 monk build and drop dex or you can drop str and go 12 monk 6 ranger 2 fighter (8/17/14/8/16/8) You would want a +2 dex and con tome for the 12 monk build. I would look at some of waxs builds the 11 ranger will definitly be easier stat wise which is good for a 28 point build.

Ok i will take a look on Wax's builds and thank you for your help ^^ Made it on DDchargen is this how it's suppose to be?

http://www.ddochargen.com/home.aspx?build=23523

[unbongwah]

One drawback to going WIS-based w/low DEX is the Combat Archery epic feat requires base DEX 21. But if you put more pts into DEX than WIS, I'm not sure if the +1[W] bonus from Combat Archery makes up for the lower proc chance on 10K Stars from lower WIS.

FWIW, here's how my elven monkcher (currently lvl 11) is planned out. She's 32 pts, but she can be downgraded to 28 pts by dropping STR to 14. I had to fake out the builder a bit, because it hasn't yet been updated to show rgrs get Prec Shot free at lvl 4.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 20 Lawful Neutral Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 220 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 19
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   22
Dexterity            17                 21                   22
Constitution         14                 16                   16
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               12                 14                   16
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead (swap for Construct later)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

My plan was to take Combat Archery & Improved Martial Arts as her epic feats. The idea is to use Earth III stance for the +1 crit multiplier most of the time, although I may wish to switch to Ocean for the higher procs w/10K Stars. I'd really like to have Touch of Death as well, but it's pretty expensive AP-wise and something had to give. I'll probably play around w/the enhs until I figure out what I like best.

I've also considered Power Atk + Imp Sunder instead of Precision + IC:Blunt. Again, on the fence on which is more useful. Precision applies to ranged atks as well as melee and the -25% fortification definitely helps at times. But I suspect PA is better for low-AC low-fort mobs and having a stacking Fortitude debuff like Imp Sunder mixes well with Stunning Fist. So many options, not enough feats...

[Fungi]

I wouldn't take the fighter levels till 19-20 personally. you have a couple choices in the order you take your feats
2 monk 11 ranger 4 monk 2 fighter is probably the best its going to get you your ranged feats and melee feats as soon as possible and you can pretty much level up the whole way with handwraps if you decided the bow is to gimp early on (it does a lot more damage with gear at level 20). You could also go 2 ranger 6 monk 9 ranger 2 fighter for more focus on monk for leveling but you are putting of twf a good bit. The other option is 6 ranger 6 monk 5 ranger 2 fighter so you can have constant up time of 10k shot and many shot while leveling.

For feats i would do some thing like this. (cleave great cleave if you want to put all level ups into str with a starting str of 15 to get overwhelming critical as an epic feat probably better off not doing this honestly)

1 point blank
3 weapon focus ranged
6 mental toughness
9 precision
12 improved critical ranged
15 toughness
18 improved critical blugeoning

1 stunning fist
2 zen archery
6 dodge

1 cleave (thougness, skill focus umd, quickdraw)
2 great cleave (thougness, skill focus umd, quickdraw)

[Dokfin]

One drawback to going WIS-based w/low DEX is the Combat Archery epic feat requires base DEX 21. But if you put more pts into DEX than WIS, I'm not sure if the +1[W] bonus from Combat Archery makes up for the lower proc chance on 10K Stars from lower WIS.

FWIW, here's how my elven monkcher (currently lvl 11) is planned out. She's 32 pts, but she can be downgraded to 28 pts by dropping STR to 14. I had to fake out the builder a bit, because it hasn't yet been updated to show rgrs get Prec Shot free at lvl 4.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 20 Lawful Neutral Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 220 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 19
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   22
Dexterity            17                 21                   22
Constitution         14                 16                   16
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               12                 14                   16
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead (swap for Construct later)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

My plan was to take Combat Archery & Improved Martial Arts as her epic feats. The idea is to use Earth III stance for the +1 crit multiplier most of the time, although I may wish to switch to Ocean for the higher procs w/10K Stars. I'd really like to have Touch of Death as well, but it's pretty expensive AP-wise and something had to give. I'll probably play around w/the enhs until I figure out what I like best.

I've also considered Power Atk + Imp Sunder instead of Precision + IC:Blunt. Again, on the fence on which is more useful. Precision applies to ranged atks as well as melee and the -25% fortification definitely helps at times. But I suspect PA is better for low-AC low-fort mobs and having a stacking Fortitude debuff like Imp Sunder mixes well with Stunning Fist. So many options, not enough feats...

Thanks for the template and I will try and play around with AP on the toon that I probably create using this template.^^ But Might consider to Start as 4/2/1 Split of Ranger/Monk/Fighter and get AA at level 8 by swapping out a feat for Mental toughness.

[Dokfin]

I wouldn't take the fighter levels till 19-20 personally. you have a couple choices in the order you take your feats
2 monk 11 ranger 4 monk 2 fighter is probably the best its going to get you your ranged feats and melee feats as soon as possible and you can pretty much level up the whole way with handwraps if you decided the bow is to gimp early on (it does a lot more damage with gear at level 20). You could also go 2 ranger 6 monk 9 ranger 2 fighter for more focus on monk for leveling but you are putting of twf a good bit. The other option is 6 ranger 6 monk 5 ranger 2 fighter so you can have constant up time of 10k shot and many shot while leveling.

For feats i would do some thing like this. (cleave great cleave if you want to put all level ups into str with a starting str of 15 to get overwhelming critical as an epic feat probably better off not doing this honestly)

1 point blank
3 weapon focus ranged
6 mental toughness
9 precision
12 improved critical ranged
15 toughness
18 improved critical blugeoning

1 stunning fist
2 zen archery
6 dodge

1 cleave (thougness, skill focus umd, quickdraw)
2 great cleave (thougness, skill focus umd, quickdraw)

Great set out of the feats, but I might consider on taking quick draw and a 2nd toughness for faster re-gen of the skill boosts and more hp but could consider cleave and great cleave for meleeing.

[unbongwah]

But Might consider to Start as 4/2/1 Split of Ranger/Monk/Fighter and get AA at level 8 by swapping out a feat for Mental toughness.

I have all the AA pre-req feats by lvl 6, so I'm not sure what you're talking about... Furthermore, I get Manyshot at lvl 8, so it's just the right timing.

Also, if I planned around a +4 DEX tome, I wouldn't need to put those two lvl-ups into DEX. But I'm not usually that optimistic; and I haven't used my free LR yet, so I can always do so and tweak my build if & when I do pull a +4.

[Dokfin]

I have all the AA pre-req feats by lvl 6, so I'm not sure what you're talking about... Furthermore, I get Manyshot at lvl 8, so it's just the right timing.

Also, if I planned around a +4 DEX tome, I wouldn't need to put those two lvl-ups into DEX. But I'm not usually that optimistic; and I haven't used my free LR yet, so I can always do so and tweak my build if & when I do pull a +4.

Ahh oks Cool

[Dokfin]

Thanks Guys for the help finally made a monkcher build