So, nerfed healing is WAI?

[trespasser]

Its not a lie actually, you will see that I forgot two things, one of which is that maximize doesnt affect heal spells, but the other is a devotion item which I forgot to add in.

150 heal
225 empower heal
337 devotion 50%
404 2 tiers of life magic.
444 10% amp
532 20% amp
691 30% amp
(actually comes to 694 if you leave the decimal in and just multiply rather than round down each time)

Most of the solo raid build FvS up til now had ~700 hp at the top end. No crits, guaranteed full self heal unless dead.

Now go ahead and tell me they dont take empower heal and dont have heal amp gear. The endgamers do. The people who used their AP for maxing out damage do. The people STILL posting that they are soloing epic elite content in the accomplishment forums do. If they do not, they are healing themselves when they get to 50% HP, for even less mana.

Observe, the new correct calc is posted in this thread, and still shows me to be correct on the issue.

Now wheres that breakdown?

Time to delete another post?

150 * (1 + Empower heal (50% or 0.5) + Devotion (at least a 102 item to get 51% so 0.51) + Life magic II (20% or 0.2))

That is how it works. And that amounts to 150*2.21 = 331 before healing amplification.

The fact that someone can 'forget' that maximize and empower do not work on heal spells shows that someone never played a divine character or is intentionally trying to spread misinformation.

I am posting again because the amount of incorrect data is becoming ridiculous.
And we can see what happens if posters like Chai and Shade are left without correcting them at every step.

[Faent]

Here is where I ask you again to refrain from making personal comments. Once.

I think this is code for: I'll go run to Mommy Cube and ask for warnings to be handed out if you don't stop posting remarks I mistakenly deem to be inappropriate personal comments.

[Chai]

Time to delete another post?

150 * (1 + Empower heal (50% or 0.5) + Devotion (at least a 102 item to get 51% so 0.51) + Life magic II (20% or 0.2))

That is how it works. And that amounts to 150*2.21 = 331 before healing amplification.

The fact that someone can 'forget' that maximize and empower do not work on heal spells shows that someone never played a divine character or is intentionally trying to spread misinformation.

I am posting again because the amount of incorrect data is becoming ridiculous.
And we can see what happens if posters like Chai and Shade are left without correcting them at every step.

My number was verified in game. The people being "corrected" here are those trying to say that their divine toons are unplayable. Its been verified both on the forums and in game that it simply isnt true.

[Chai]

This exile as you put it is nothing but hot air, nerdrage, and BS. Same exact thing we saw starting with Evasion in Hvy Armor and will continue til the end of time.

This.

[Forzah]

My number was verified in game.

Huh? Getting many different reports now, which one is true? Wouldn't mind seeing some screenshots, from either side.

I agree with you that divines aren't unplayable even if heal would be toned down, btw.

[Truga]

Furthermore, FVS is *not free* content, it is *pay* content, *premium* content, and thrfr *should* be demonstratively more powerful, and therefore more desireable...the corollary to that is duplicitously holding *premium* FVS power levels up as the metric by which to cleric divine casters should be nerfed is ...lacking substance.

Someone call the cops, I stole FvS from Turbine when I reached 2500 favour.

On a more serious note, premium should never be better than free. It can be different. But never better. And that's true for DDO, at least for now.

[sandypaws]

I agree with you that divines aren't unplayable even if heal would be toned down, btw.

"Unplayable" may be a stretch, but the amount of weapon switching is obscene. Especially since, as far as I can tell, all the really good spellpower boosts are on quarterstaves.

I think at this point my Clonkard is regularly swapping between 3-4 weapon sets, with the occasional associated clickies thrown in. Which actually still wouldn't be so bad, if not for the number of times I've mashed a weapon set swap and had it simply fail to execute.

A now-nerfed radiant burst on 52 potency spellpower is a sad, sad thing to see.

A now-nerfed radiant burst on 52 potency spellpower, when your heavy fort has just fallen off along with your healing amp because somebody uncentered you, is awful. Thank god -that's- being fixed, at least.

[zwiebelring]

Melee divines have to have more niche items and it is close to annyoing if you have to hotswap every few seconds. The changes are close to a softkill for hybrid toons which weren't weak and outlaw builds. Now you are forced to either heal or fight, doing everything was made more difficult. I guess in epic elite there might be a bigger number of healbot only situations for those builds.

[trespasser]

My number was verified in game. The people being "corrected" here are those trying to say that their divine toons are unplayable. Its been verified both on the forums and in game that it simply isnt true.

Your numbers might be verified in game because currently everything is bugged.

Empower healing gives 75 instead of 50 spell power - nobody knows if it is working as intended and if the description of radiant servant is any indication it is not. It looks like leakage from the regular empower made 75.

Devotion items do not grant 50% of the stat, they grant a little less
Potency items on the other hand grant exactly 50%.
I have not tested how healing amp works on live currently (supposedly its not changed)

I am not giving an opinion if divines are unplayable or any opinion of the nerf.
I am just saying that your math is incorrect - when in a bit when everyone is calmer and they fix Empower Healing, those are the numbers that people should see.

[morticianjohn]

This exile as you put it is nothing but hot air, nerdrage, and BS. Same exact thing we saw starting with Evasion in Hvy Armor and will continue til the end of time.

Haters gonna hate, fans are gonna be fans and the rest will be way to **** busy playing to care.

I personally haven't played since the update and my primary character is a divine. In addition I've seen a decline in divines pugging overall in 2012.

I'm sure that eventually things will balance out as we get a group of newer players who are willing to accept the role of healer but at the moment I left it really seemed like there were less divines pugging than there were the year prior.

[Hendrik]

Except that the nerf wasn't just to healing. From what I've gathered on forums, it's hitting the heals, divine punishment, radiant servant bursts and other SLAs, etc. It may or may not be hitting blade barrier (haven't seen much on this--can anyone give feedback?) Add in the fact that warforged don't seem to be getting full healer's friend benefits (have not heard whether this is a bug or WAI), aaaaand...tada! Though that's more of a bat for the WF. Man, WF favored souls must be having it hard right now.

Thats the funny thing about game forums; that arguments change so wildly and so fast on the topic at hand you just cannot keep up with the rant of the moment. The next one will come up soon enough.

The ONLY thing you can trust is what come from those that make the game - take anything else with a HUGE grain of salt.

[DeafeningWhisper]

It may or may not be hitting blade barrier (haven't seen much on this--can anyone give feedback?) Add in the fact that warforged don't seem to be getting full healer's friend benefits (have not heard whether this is a bug or WAI), aaaaand...tada! Though that's more of a bat for the WF. Man, WF favored souls must be having it hard right now.

The hit to BB is because of how the new spell power formula applies, not a specifc nerf per se.

[Hendrik]

I personally haven't played since the update and my primary character is a divine. In addition I've seen a decline in divines pugging overall in 2012.

I'm sure that eventually things will balance out as we get a group of newer players who are willing to accept the role of healer but at the moment I left it really seemed like there were less divines pugging than there were the year prior.

Divines not wanting to PUG is nothing new and will continue as 'most' PUGs want a babysitter and not one to contribute beyond that.

You COULD start to play again and help fix the very problem you are adding to...

[Vellrad]

Yep. If you want the max #'s, no more trash 3 minute clickies.
You have to admit, with a clickie or two, you could completely ignore most caster gear entirely as far as spell damages go. I know that I did! (But not anymore.. Which, IMO, is a change for the better.)

Keep in mind too, that some of the new loot drops with greater lore, 2 kinds of spell power, and a greater spell focus on them all in one handy weapon slot. Once you get one of these babies, your swapping gets a lot less intensive.

I got a great idea! Lets auto dispell all clickies once they're unequipped after activation.
Want blur or nigthshield? Keep that clicky on?
Want +6 psionic strength? Don't swap to epic gloves of the claw or epic charged gauntlets after using titan's grip.
Its gonna be so fun!

[Thrudh]

Before you parked your toons, what numbers were you getting for heals? What gear did you have? Did you have Empowered Healing? What numbers did you get before U14?

Who cares about the numbers? If you can heal the party and still have plenty of SP left over for offensive fun, who cares what the numbers are?

I have a ton more SP today, even the gimpiest melees are now running around with 30% heal amp (which 98% didn't have before U14), and my heals work just fine.

I have no problems so far keeping my party members up AND having plenty of SP to nuke.

Most quests have a ton of shrines too.

I understand that the "numbers" are smaller, but I never looked at heal numbers before U14, and I don't look at them now.

Now blade barrier numbers being smaller you can complain about... That's a nerf. but healing is still easy.. The actual numbers for healing just don't matter that much. What matters is the results.

[zwiebelring]

Who cares about the numbers?

I do. The results you are talking about are tied to it.

[trespasser]

Who cares about the numbers?

LOL

[sarcasm]

Math just complicates things eh? Lets get rid of it altogether.

[/sarcasm]

The fact that the defenders of the change have to use such 'arguments' says more than I ever could.

[Hendrik]

LOL



The fact that the haters of the change have to use such 'arguments' says more than I ever could.

Yep, LOL.

[LordPiglet]

Your numbers might be verified in game because currently everything is bugged.

Empower healing gives 75 instead of 50 spell power - nobody knows if it is working as intended and if the description of radiant servant is any indication it is not. It looks like leakage from the regular empower made 75.

Devotion items do not grant 50% of the stat, they grant a little less
Potency items on the other hand grant exactly 50%.
I have not tested how healing amp works on live currently (supposedly its not changed)

I am not giving an opinion if divines are unplayable or any opinion of the nerf.
I am just saying that your math is incorrect - when in a bit when everyone is calmer and they fix Empower Healing, those are the numbers that people should see.

Empower healing was originally 50 sp (75 for a radiant servant) and was bumped up by 25 spell power I believe during the closed preview.

[Chai]

Your numbers might be verified in game because currently everything is bugged.

Empower healing gives 75 instead of 50 spell power - nobody knows if it is working as intended and if the description of radiant servant is any indication it is not. It looks like leakage from the regular empower made 75.

Devotion items do not grant 50% of the stat, they grant a little less
Potency items on the other hand grant exactly 50%.
I have not tested how healing amp works on live currently (supposedly its not changed)

I am not giving an opinion if divines are unplayable or any opinion of the nerf.

And most healers were using superior potency 6 from level 14 to 20, and then using clickies for even BETTER results before the update. If my math is off, its actually showing a lower number due to this.

I am just saying that your math is incorrect - when in a bit when everyone is calmer and they fix Empower Healing, those are the numbers that people should see.

When everyone is calmer, engaging in far less hyberbole, refraining from quoting everyone who doesnt agree with them and replying with nothing but personal attacks, and actually logging in to play the game, what they will really see is that divines are still healing as well as they used to be. Two of the people who have been trying to ride me and accuse me of providing false data and lying about my in game experience from thread to thread, have since then blatently admitted they havent even played since the update release. Another one hasnt logged in for six months. Meanwhile, in other news, I have been playing daily and seeing the results I have been showing.