Epic Favor not working as intended

[Shade]

per u14 official release notes:

Epic Normal favor is the same as Epic before the update. Epic Hard now gives +1 favor and Epic Elite gives +2 favor compared to Epic Normal. Epic Casual gives half Epic Normal favor.

Currently Epic Favor functions the same as heroic.

So "epic before the update" would mean same as heroic elite.

So "Beyond the Rift" should be giving:
Heroic Casual: 4 (verified it rounds up from 3.5)
Heroic Normal: 7
Heroic Hard: 14
Heroic Elite: 21
Epic Casual: 10
Epic Normal: 21
Epic Hard: 22
Epic Elite: 23

Instead it's giving:
Heroic Casual: 4
Heroic Normal: 7
Heroic Hard: 14
Heroic Elite: 21
Epic Casual: 3
Epic Normal: 7
Epic Hard: 14
Epic Elite: 21

Also believe if you complete heroic elite first and gain 21 favor, and later epic N/H you'll actaully lose favor.

(Bug is present live and on the current lamannia U14p1)

[MelkiorPeasantbane]

Also believe if you complete heroic elite first and gain 21 favor, and later epic N/H you'll actaully lose favor.

This appeared to happen to me, however, once a logged back in, In the compendium it changed back to progress elite with the expected favor. Specifically the sentinels quests.

As for the rest, agreed. Favor stays at heroic normal instead of epic normal. (House P, F2P Harbor flagging quests).

[danotmano1998]

per u14 official release notes:
Currently Epic Favor functions the same as heroic.
(Bug is present live and on the current lamannia U14p1)

Agreed. I haven't looked at my favor yet, but a guildie was mentioning all of his favor went back to the original, non-epic settings. I told him to bug report it, but then forgot.

Thanks for the reminder, I'll look again when I get home.

[Expalphalog]

Yep. My favor is all equal to Heroic.

Unless, of course, Epic Hard is supposed to be only giving out 14 favor.

[Phax]

It should be the same as heroic. It was changed from that older note you posted. I thought the bug about losing favor was fixed in patch 1, but it might not be in. It is fixed locally.

[WruntJunior]

It should be the same as heroic. It was changed from that older note you posted. I thought the bug about losing favor was fixed in patch 1, but it might not be in. It is fixed locally.

So, just for confirmation, Epic Hard is supposed to be giving less favor than Heroic Elite? If that's intended, it definitely doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

[Shade]

It should be the same as heroic. It was changed from that older note you posted. I thought the bug about losing favor was fixed in patch 1, but it might not be in. It is fixed locally.

Sad, the new way was far superior and definetely a smart decision.

And thats not exactly an "older note". Thats from the current live release notes, so you may want to get Tolero or Cordovan to update it, if the "old heroic way" is whats intended.

This will cause MAJOR uproar tho once you release the raid. The playerbase isn't gona be happy about needing every single quest on epic elite to be able to use there set bonuses, craft new red/green armor, or craft on set bonuses to other named armor.

I just hope the result of said outroar wont be "Nerf epic elite so everyone can win!1!111"..

I mean I think most players do deserve access to said loot, but most players dont need to win epic elites..

The best and preferaed solution here is to put in the new epic favor system from the official live rleease notes. EE already has the better rewards of better xp and loot, it doesn't need this drastic favor increase over hard to compound that.

Tho the alternate (undesirable) route is to lower the rank 3 favor reward requirement drasticly.

Also somewhat related minor gripe:
Wasn't a fan of being "grandfathered" in free EE status in the compendium. I like to earn my titles in there, and EEs are a step up from old epic... So I didn't earn that. It would of been preferable to keep old epic or elite title in there (same favor anyways), then earn that xtra title, or better yet even that extra +1 or +2 the notes tempted us with.

and the bug is still in patch 1 I justed tested the other day.. However upon relog, your favor compendium gets reset. EG:
Ran VoN3 Elite plenty at lvl.
Later at epic lvl, ran VoN3 EN: Lost favor, gained "Epic Normal" title.
Relogged: Lost epic normal title, and regained heroic elite favor.
Not ideal as you lose proof of your accomplishment.

[LordPiglet]

Did you use math to calculate that the favor was wrong?

[danotmano1998]

It should be the same as heroic. It was changed from that older note you posted. I thought the bug about losing favor was fixed in patch 1, but it might not be in. It is fixed locally.

Argh... Really? Meaning the "older note" that is in the current release notes? That one?

This will cause MAJOR uproar tho once you release the raid. The playerbase isn't gona be happy about needing every single quest on epic elite to be able to use there set bonuses, craft new red/green armor, or craft on set bonuses to other named armor.

So the loot is tied to getting max favor? And if you don't have it, you can't use it?
Please, tell me it isn't so. More information, please. Link?

[Scraap]

It should be the same as heroic. It was changed from that older note you posted. I thought the bug about losing favor was fixed in patch 1, but it might not be in. It is fixed locally.

The current consequence of that is that if you skipped epicable content while leveling (In my case I prefer the variety, and have a low tolerance for back-to-back repetition, which is why I was on the TR cycle), you get more character benefits like bank space and the like from taking your 25 and stomping it on heroic elite than epic hard. Might want to review that.

[Silex_Molior]

It should be the same as heroic. It was changed from that older note you posted. I thought the bug about losing favor was fixed in patch 1, but it might not be in. It is fixed locally.

So, quests in Phiarlan Carnival on Elite (level 7 quests) give more Favor than Epic Casual (level 19), Epic Normal (level 20) or Epic Hard (level 21), and the same favor as Epic Elite (level 22)?

Question: How cheap is the crack up near the Turbine HQ? Cause you guys are seriously smoking a lot of it if you think this makes any shred of sense.

[Hokiewa]

Did you use math to calculate that the favor was wrong?

Send me your newsletter, I beg of you

[shadereaper33]

It should be the same as heroic. It was changed from that older note you posted. I thought the bug about losing favor was fixed in patch 1, but it might not be in. It is fixed locally.

I gotta say, I think this is one of the worst ideas to come out of the expansion. Unless you add a LOT of new quests in u15 that give PDK favor, this is a really really bad idea. As other people have stated, right now you need every new quest on epic elite, at every challenge 5 starred on level 30 to get access to tier 3 PDK favor. I really think that you guys should either go to the favor system that was announced in the release notes, with epic normal giving old epic favor, epic hard +1, and epic elite +2. This would allow more people to make use of the armors that they can find running these new quests on epic normal. If you want to maintain the heroic favor system for epic quests, then you really need to re-evaluate the favor benchmarks for PDK.

Really, really bad choice on this one, Turbine.

[danotmano1998]

As other people have stated, right now you need every new quest on epic elite, at every challenge 5 starred on level 30 to get access to tier 3 PDK favor.

Hey, this sounds exactly like how they did Artificers...
Sure, you can unlock it. But it's ridiculously hard to do so. Nearly impossible, in fact, for the average player.

Here's to hoping that they release more quests that grant PDK favor soon, or change the mechanic even sooner than that.

[redspecter23]

Tying too great a reward into PDK favor, then making that favor accessible to epic elite players only is a very bad idea. Either lower the favor threshold or lower it to tier 2 or have more PDK quests in the next pack (most likely). That last option puts the favor reward in the hands of the elite players earlier, but others will have access to it eventually, somewhat like the artificer debacle. That went over well with players though, right?

[BurnerD]

I can confirm this is being true. I ran one of the lolth harbor quests on normal epic because iIneeded silver flame favor on my 20 cleric. I received 7 favor. I then went back and ran it on heroic elite to get the rest of my favor and still only had 7 favor after completion. I believe it was the lords of dust quest (cant check it now i am at work).....

per u14 official release notes:


Currently Epic Favor functions the same as heroic.

So "epic before the update" would mean same as heroic elite.

So "Beyond the Rift" should be giving:
Heroic Casual: 4 (verified it rounds up from 3.5)
Heroic Normal: 7
Heroic Hard: 14
Heroic Elite: 21
Epic Casual: 10
Epic Normal: 21
Epic Hard: 22
Epic Elite: 23

Instead it's giving:
Heroic Casual: 4
Heroic Normal: 7
Heroic Hard: 14
Heroic Elite: 21
Epic Casual: 3
Epic Normal: 7
Epic Hard: 14
Epic Elite: 21

Also believe if you complete heroic elite first and gain 21 favor, and later epic N/H you'll actaully lose favor.

(Bug is present live and on the current lamannia U14p1)

[SisAmethyst]

I agree that the progression in the OP

* Heroic Casual: 4
* Heroic Normal: 7
* Heroic Hard: 14
* Heroic Elite: 21
* Epic Casual: 10
* Epic Normal: 21
* Epic Hard: 22
* Epic Elite: 23

sounds much more reasonable for the effort accomplished, but well...

[PopeJual]

As long as U15 has a decent amount more PDK favor, I think this is fine as long as Turbine fixes the bug that makes you lose favor when you do Epic Normal after Heroic Elite.

[janave]

Please dont force players to do do elite epics all the way to unlock the PDK vendor. Imho it should be available for those who arent interested in the raid as well. Locking out everyone but the 0.1% of player base is a sucky idea, not unfamiliar but still sucky ...

Lower the mark or give enough favor points.

thanks

ps:

As long as U15 has a decent amount more PDK favor, I think this is fine as long as Turbine fixes the bug that makes you lose favor when you do Epic Normal after Heroic Elite.

This is very turbinish approach, but no. Getting reasonable access to actual "now" content in an upcoming update isnt fair.

[PopeJual]

This is very turbinish approach, but no. Getting reasonable access to actual "now" content in an upcoming update isnt fair.

It depends on what "reasonable" is.

Silver Flame pots used to be pretty hard to get. Now they aren't.

If the raid item upgrades are supposed to be really hard to get, then Turbine has set the favor requirement at a level that will make them really hard to get. When more PDK favor comes out, those upgrades will be easier.

I'm fine with making the upgrades really hard to get. As long as Turbine doesn't sell an "upgrade token" in the DDO store.