Epic elite spell pen?

[giggiddy]

Not in game atm obviously and might need to rethink my wizard's build. Right now I have 3 wiz, 3 fvs PLs and am an elf with all spell pen enhancements and 2 spell pen feats. I wanted to max out my spell pen form twists and my final feat but if my spell pen will pass even on all epic elites then I won't bother.

I've run mostly epic hard with a few epic elite mixed in and haven't seen a blue shield of spell pen failure thus far on the drow so I haven't bothered to check combat logs. Does anyone know what the highest SR of the epic elite drow is?


I don't want a "good enough" spell pen either. It's all or nothing for me.

[mute_mayhem]

In our epic elite von3 yesterday, the drow were all CR 45, which would put their spell resistance at about 55 if I'm not mistaken.

Pretty much makes Bharnee a hjealbot in EE.

[Phidius]

...I don't want a "good enough" spell pen either. It's all or nothing for me.

Just a word of caution - Turbine doesn't like it when you completely bypass one of their game mechanics. If you do get your Spell Pen high enough to bypass SR completely at all levels of play, I recommend you avoid posting that you've been successful.

[Simplesimon1979]

In our epic elite von3 yesterday, the drow were all CR 45, which would put their spell resistance at about 55 if I'm not mistaken.

Pretty much makes Bharnee a hjealbot in EE.

One thing tho CR doesn't always = character lvl. They might have a challenge rating of 45 but are only lvl 35. It would be nice to see some test were there actual SR is found.

[etelan]

I ran some tests in the first room of EE Tide Turns. I believe it was 55 SR on the dot. EH is much much lower than that.

The way I figure it you can always level drain if your DC does't cut it, so I'm swapping out the int feats for spell pen feats.

[Chette]

Figured I'd chime in on this with my experience in EE. Most of the drow in the raid had a spell resistance of about 55. I was able to occasionally succeed on implode, but I wasn't particularly specced for spell pen at the time, and primarily healing and keeping up rebuke foe. I've since dropped both great wisdom feats and empower to pick up an additional 11 spell pen. It's well worth it.

[giggiddy]

Cool thanks all for the input.

My toon won't be overkill for epic elites it looks like. Was really frustrated at first when I would watch 2nd life toons blowing through epic hards as easily as me with all the time I have spent lol. But looks like that's the complaint everywhere. Epic hard it too easy... But once I have my twist in Angel done, then Whatmanabar will be done and I look forward to tearing up some elites.

[Quickben1]

Yes, at 2nd chain elite, drow had 55 SR. I didn't like the feeling of been ignored, specially with 51 Sp.pen at that moment.
BTW do we have an estimation of the new DC required for E.E /E.H?

[Devachan]

I have seen Drow Priestesses with CR 49, hence SR 59 on epic elite.

[selutha]

If SR is this high doesn't make almost all casters on 1st or 2nd life a haste bot?

* I have just returned after 1.5 years of break. I have not kept up with all the changes, still getting a hold of it.

[Rawel_San]

From what I've seen so far yet SR of 59 is the most that appears meaning that 58 spell pen is enough.
54 get's you past about 99% of the game except the above mentioned priestesses where you still have a decent
80% chance to land your spells.

On the other hand the fort saves in epic elite's seem quite high with a 55 dc getting even traditionally
low fort casters at a rate that seems to be no better then 50%. Given that over 60 dc is achievable though
that might not be that huge an issue though I think the saves did go up more then the reasonable dc's.
Just my 2 copper,
Rawel

[giggiddy]

I have seen Drow Priestesses with CR 49, hence SR 59 on epic elite.

A guildie just raised a question to me (to you)... Are the CR 49 priestesses from the raid? And therefore rednamed? Orange names mobs are the most my spell pen will have an effect on.

[Kinerd]

If SR is this high doesn't make almost all casters on 1st or 2nd life a haste bot?

* I have just returned after 1.5 years of break. I have not kept up with all the changes, still getting a hold of it.

Arcanes are so powerful that even with an entire field cut off to them they can still make significant contributions. Direct damage is the obvious one, but there are also spells like Web and Necrotic Ray you can use to accomplish goals that traditionally require defeating SR: CC and level drain.

It does push first-life or undergeared wizards a bit towards AM over PM if they want to take on epic Drow, but then again there's nothing that says you have to take on epic Drow on your first or any other life.

[Rawel_San]

A guildie just raised a question to me (to you)... Are the CR 49 priestesses from the raid? And therefore rednamed? Orange names mobs are the most my spell pen will have an effect on.

I believe the answer to that is no. They are from epic elite deal of the demon and are orange.

[giggiddy]

Cool thanks for the info! 59 spell pen will be perfect then to dance her ad let the melees take her down!

[giggiddy]

If SR is this high doesn't make almost all casters on 1st or 2nd life a haste bot?

* I have just returned after 1.5 years of break. I have not kept up with all the changes, still getting a hold of it.

Just like anything in this life... If ya wanna be successful and be more than a A hjaste bot, it's gonna require some elbow grease... And some tomes of learning help

[mikarddo]

Out of curiousity. With 59 spell pen covering all even of EE - whats the similar value for EN and EH for those less advanced?

[Rawel_San]

I'm not sure anyone has bothered to check exactly but something along the lines of mid 40's seems sufficient. I ran
many e/hards in other destinies without any spell pen twists which puts me at something like 43 spell pen without
Gsp or Esp and never saw a blue shield

[Faent]

I'm not sure anyone has bothered to check exactly but something along the lines of mid 40's seems sufficient. I ran many e/hards in other destinies without any spell pen twists which puts me at something like 43 spell pen without Gsp or Esp and never saw a blue shield

I've never seen a Blue Shield in Epic Hard content (unless it was Drow Priestess). And I was running without ANY Spell Pen Feats AT ALL. Of course, I do have +6 from Wizard Past Lives. WF using a Spell Pen IX item. It's pretty darn low in Epic Hard, and low to mid 40's should certainly get things done.

[Devachan]

A guildie just raised a question to me (to you)... Are the CR 49 priestesses from the raid? And therefore rednamed? Orange names mobs are the most my spell pen will have an effect on.

I saw CR 49 on the Priestesses in Spinner of Shadows. Definitely not red-named. Not orange either, if I recall correctly.

Out of curiousity. With 59 spell pen covering all even of EE - whats the similar value for EN and EH for those less advanced?

Also from Spinner of Shadows (all EPIC):

Drow Priestess CR - Normal 23 / Hard 29 / Elite 49
Drow Warrior CR - Normal 22 / Hard 27 / Elite 45
Rakshasa Lord CR - Normal 23/ Hard 29 / Elite 49 (however I beat the Rakshasa's SR with a 46, so as we know their SR is nowhere near as high as a Drow).