Wolf Form: weapon questions

[Vesuvium]

How about other bonuses (Monk past life active, etc.) that increase your unarmed die?

They affect Druids in animal form!

For that matter, does animal/elemental shape make you uncentered?

Nope. It was originally going to, but some feedback from the beta testers changed our minds.

And can a Druid in animal/elemental shape maintain a Monk elemental stance? (Thinking of Mountain/Bear and Water/Water here mostly)

I'm not 100% sure off-hand, since I have not personally checked that, but I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't or shouldn't function. So, tentatively: yes!

[Ganolyn]

Nope. It was originally going to, but some feedback from the beta testers changed our minds.

Don't lie! You guys were watching Kung Fu Panda weren't you?!

[Paddymew]

They affect Druids in animal form!


Nope. It was originally going to, but some feedback from the beta testers changed our minds.



I'm not 100% sure off-hand, since I have not personally checked that, but I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't or shouldn't function. So, tentatively: yes!

Thanks a bunch! This is awesome news, especially since both classes are WIS-centered.

[Aashrym]

I'm not 100% sure off-hand, since I have not personally checked that, but I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't or shouldn't function. So, tentatively: yes!

I was able to on Lamma so unless something changed or bugged out since then it should still work. I haven't made a monk/druid live yet so it's possible that needs a grain of salt.

[Vesuvium]

is it based on main hand or do you get the effects from both weapons stacking?

If I have the same effects on my 2 equiped weapons (say 2 vorpal) will the effect apply to my attacks twice (2 hits of 100 damage on 20s)?

Ok:

If your off-hand weapon/shield has bonuses that are applied to the character - stat bonuses, skill bonuses, etc. - then they still function while in animal form. If they have effects that trigger when you hit an enemy, they do nothing. So having procs and the like in the off-hand weapon won't do you any good, but you can still use an off-hand item that gives general stat bonuses.


Also: Shield bash doesn't proc while in animal form.

[Stanley_Nicholas]

Ok:

If your off-hand weapon/shield has bonuses that are applied to the character - stat bonuses, skill bonuses, etc. - then they still function while in animal form. If they have effects that trigger when you hit an enemy, they do nothing. So having procs and the like in the off-hand weapon won't do you any good, but you can still use an off-hand item that gives general stat bonuses.


Also: Shield bash doesn't proc while in animal form.

What if you have a weapon in your offhand with a defensive proc, like Concordant Opposition?

[Vesuvium]

That will still work.

[Diyon]

Ok:

If your off-hand weapon/shield has bonuses that are applied to the character - stat bonuses, skill bonuses, etc. - then they still function while in animal form. If they have effects that trigger when you hit an enemy, they do nothing. So having procs and the like in the off-hand weapon won't do you any good, but you can still use an off-hand item that gives general stat bonuses.


Also: Shield bash doesn't proc while in animal form.

Question: Will stuff like Seeker, Stunning, Shatter, and other stuff that applies to attacks regardless of whether the ability is on a weapon or something? (For instance, these can be in non hand slots and still work)

If they don't that kind of takes some of the interest out of it IMO.

Another question: Alchemical shields made to be crystal, do they break oath? I'm hoping no, but as they are originally steel, and are alchemically altered to act as a certain material I wasn't sure whether they do or not.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Lots of questions!

This is mainly because you folks did not update the Compendium with all these changes. Can you please put that on the short list!?

[Osma77]

Also: Shield bash doesn't proc while in animal form.

On this note: does this mean that the doublestrike chance from improved shield mastery does not effect? I was using a combo of natural fighting and shield masteries to get my doublestrike numbers high. Or do you specificly mean shield bashing. Really need to know this because i will totally be dropping improved shield mastery if i dont get doublestrike bonuses from it.

[Chette]

Question: Will stuff like Seeker, Stunning, Shatter, and other stuff that applies to attacks regardless of whether the ability is on a weapon or something? (For instance, these can be in non hand slots and still work)

Very interested in the answers to these questions, as well as double-strike.

[SteeleTrueheart]

Question: Will stuff like Seeker, Stunning, Shatter, and other stuff that applies to attacks regardless of whether the ability is on a weapon or something? (For instance, these can be in non hand slots and still work)

If they don't that kind of takes some of the interest out of it IMO.

Another question: Alchemical shields made to be crystal, do they break oath? I'm hoping no, but as they are originally steel, and are alchemically altered to act as a certain material I wasn't sure whether they do or not.

Based on answers already given, the static bonuses aka seeker or stunning DC / doublestrike% increase would work but the on attack procs would not, like the 3+% chance to stun.

[dunklezhan]

It's really important Vesuvium that we get some official notes, a Let's Talk, a Dev blog, Compendium entry, something, which outlines what feats should and should not apply, which feats partially apply, and similarly for enhancements, weapons and equipment, when in animal form.

I haven't rolled up my druid yet - not only can I not figure out what role I want to try to build for and how to do that (which is my fault for indecisiveness but mostly your fault entirely for giving me such a wide open class as druid to try to spec up - curse you and your cunning designs!), but I've not been able to find any meaningful information on the animal forms except for smatterings of dev posts.

What I'd really like would be a write up of what the intentions/design philosophy is behind animal forms specifically - I can already build a nonshifting melee or caster no problem, but animal forms are new, we need data and it shouldn't be up to the communicty to figure it out as they go when you consider how hard/expensive it is to respec in DDO - a free feat swap is fine, but if someone has already invested in shield feats and two THF feats for their bear form and it turns out to have been pointless, that gets pricey really fast.

My placeholder, Bitey McBigpaws, has been patiently waiting for like 3 months for his reroll. I was just settling on making a bear tank build but now I have no idea how to put one together at all. He's getting bored on the character screen. Help a poor wannabe druid brother out?

[Aashrym]

This is mainly because you folks did not update the Compendium with all these changes. Can you please put that on the short list!?

It's not just the compendium. http://www.ddo.com/en/ddogameinfo/manual

The "latest manual" doesn't include things like half elves, half orcs, or artificers, let alone druids. I think the updated information is more than a bit behind in some areas.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

It's not just the compendium. http://www.ddo.com/en/ddogameinfo/manual

The "latest manual" doesn't include things like half elves, half orcs, or artificers, let alone druids. I think the updated information is more than a bit behind in some areas.

oh well ****, I forgot we even HAD a manual, LOL............ its been that long

[ExK444]

So if twf doesn't affect wolf form . . . do that make a quarterstaff toting monk/druid a very good option?

Probably sword and board actually. The dice of the weapon doesn't effect anything. Only the enhancement bonus and other magical properties.

[Joldahks]

Probably sword and board actually. The dice of the weapon doesn't effect anything. Only the enhancement bonus and other magical properties.

Will a shield in animal form uncenter a monk though? I would assume so. Will have to weigh the benefits of monk stuff against shield stats. Hmm. Handwraps?

[Myrddinman]

Will a shield in animal form uncenter a monk though? I would assume so. Will have to weigh the benefits of monk stuff against shield stats. Hmm. Handwraps?

I believe it does (I'm pretty sure I've read this somewhere) but I have not tried it myself, as I haven't splashed my Monk levels yet

[axlett]

Quick question, does stunning fist work in form?

[threefeetunder]

Quick question, does stunning fist work in form?

yes, along with ki strikes and other monky stuff.