How to heal a tank

[MRMechMan]

Healers on Cannith are generally pretty good I've found. I can usually assume that they know the basics of their class, even if they don't know the specific quest. I am happy to help people learn, too-whether it is specific quests or something more general regarding curse removal/healscrolls/enhancements/feats/etcetc. Well, found the worst healer I've ever seen today in TOD.

Really all you need to keep most tanks up are:

1. Heal spell
2. Heal scrolls
3. Aura if clr/capstone if fvs

He used exactly none of those:

-Didn't even carry mass heal spell (implosion, energy drain and...drum roll...summon monster IX.
-when asked to heal the horoth tank spammed mass cures till was out of spell points (took under a minute, probably plays a mean sorc). Did not use the heal spell on the tank even once.
-did not carry heal scrolls. Was flabbergasted when I asked him if he had heal scrolls.
-despite spamming spells, could not keep the tank up.

Sad part was, afterwards he offered to link "20 war trophies". How this guy made it through that made TODs healing like that I have no idea.

[loki_3369]

Perhaps (s)he was busy spamming capstones and the heal spell on his/her Hezrou. The Hezrou is their tank!

Yay Stone's of Experience ftw.

[Miow]

Perhaps (s)he was busy spamming capstones and the heal spell on his/her Hezrou. The Hezrou is their tank!

Yay Stone's of Experience ftw.

Here's a real winner i saw an lfm on sarlona last night lvl range 14-18 Hound of Xoriat on hard/elite, myddo the guy and couple people there for kicks, the party leader had 168 hp...had all that cool gear you get from the stone experience....ha ha ha...there is the negative effect of the stone if i ever saw it.

Sorry for the off topic...har.

[HeartOfSteel]

It's still funny to see how much drama can come out from a thread that should be about "healing tanks".

[HeartOfSteel]

I found some wipes to be actually well worth the time I spend sitting on this chair, laughs won't be something I'll loot in the endchest.

Speaking about players : some folks just decided to play the game the way they want to, ignoring that being in a party means actually covering a role at your best.
On the other hand Cannith is full of players that built up a wall of elitarism around themselves; I'm surely not the best player to judge but when I'm in a pug with a newbie generally I try to give advices with the hope this person could learn something.

[Kmnh]

One thing I learned over time is that it's a lot easier to teach by example than by explaining.


Heal the raid. Let the newbie who ran out of sp early watch the other healers still have a lot of sp when the raid ends. Eventually, he will ask them how it's done.

Remember that spike pit in rainbow? Talking newbies on their first time across the pit is pretty much impossible, but they can usually make it after watching other people do it and trying a few times.

[Zeklijan]

People talk about how they failed raids because of pugs? Aha!

I talk about raids we failed because the raid must kill mobs is in a wall, or that the demonweb raid can't complete after about 2 hours of rampaging in the raid and 30 spell pots used.
Awesome

and I quote Lolth:
You will pay in ways you cannot imagine!


hell yeah baby, 50 majors for you!

[wax_on_wax_off]

I healed Xhina of Khyber in elite VoD on my 12 bard/8 artificer build, it was really exciting, turns out I'm such a good healer that her HP bar barely moved. It was all me I tell you.

That was such a fun vod, 23 minutes, 3 healers, 3 bards, 3-4 monks, 1 fighter, 1 rogue. Can you imagine that we got through without a barbarian (or wiz/sorc)?

Why am I posting this here? I have no clue. Oh, I know, generally you don't need a divine icon to heal a tank, artificer/rogue/bard/wizard/sorcerer all have the potential to scroll heal a well built tank, just a pitty that there aren't more of them to go around ...

[Yalina]

i don't want to be cruel Mech, but the last things people needs on Cannith are "how to heal other people" advices from the Tribe...

[Ragnar7]

i don't want to be cruel Mech, but the last things people needs on Cannith are "how to heal other people" advices from the Tribe...

Hahahaha. Zerg are great for leveling, but endgame I don't bother unless I'm on a totally self-sufficient character. There have enough times in EDA, where Gwy has taken agro of bosses and then died 45 secs later after drinking all of his silver flames. I'm pretty sure one time there were 2fvs and 1 cleric also

[nbaker18]

Hahahaha. Zerg are great for leveling, but endgame I don't bother unless I'm on a totally self-sufficient character. There have enough times in EDA, where Gwy has taken agro of bosses and then died 45 secs later after drinking all of his silver flames. I'm pretty sure one time there were 2fvs and 1 cleric also

I hate how somehow every forum posted by any member of zerg ends up having negative statements about zerg as a whole, I know I have personally hosted many ToD raids and had Mechgruber heal main tank a multitude of times and every last time he heals the tank, the tank never dies and we succeed in the end. yes sometimes they will tank on fvs (nothing wrong with that) but every last one of them is capable of healing when need be (granted i cannot say much seeing as the closest thing to a healer i have played in end game raids is my arti which again i am extremely happy to heal a tank on my arti i can keep scrolls in my hand keeping tanks alive and blast my runearm to keep doing dmg as well)

This was just a thread on how to properly heal a tank, WHO CARES WHO POSTED IT?

[MRMechMan]

Guess I've cooled down since the incident. Was a bit peeved.

Sitting here in a south korean airport mulling things over and enjoying free wifi

yes sometimes they will tank on fvs (nothing wrong with that) ?

Thats actually what ended up happening (and sully, and a bunch of their friends). For maybe 5-10min as tried raising people and getting the raid stabalized. Sully almost died from guards. Probably should have tanked horoth from the start to be honest.

Shoulda known the healer wouldnt be able to keep the tank up as he had ~400 hp and died in part1. And had to do most of the healing in part2 despite humping shadows

I do realize that if you see a fvs from zerg you are less likely to get heals from them. We do have that reputation and I can see why. However, I will heal anyone and everyone in my party that...

1.takes care of their curses (it isn't hard).
2.doesn't act like complete moron on your melee-if you run in and out of masses I will *not* spot heal you. If you take melee damage from boss cleaves because you are standing on top of the tank when you are not the tank I will probably let you die.
3. is useful. Even if it is monster DPS and nothing else, if you bring a solidly built/geared melee that brings the pain, I'll heal your pants off. If you link your litIIs in an arti-less elite shroud and ask if they break DR...I'll still heal you but not gonna go outta my way to, either.

Those are about the only rules. I don't have a bio full of statements like "can't heal through walls" or "zerg at your own risk" because if I can't target you then I don't sweat being able to heal you and if you are zerging I am right there with you anyway. If you are in range and useful to the group and low on HP, hell yea I am healing you.

Honestly, I didn't carry heal scrolls at first. Now I can't live without them-cheap cheap SP free healing is invaluable. I was (fairly) civil talking to this dude but he just didn't want to learn. Even invited him to a 1 on 1 chat afterwards to try and talk about what happened but just didn't even understand the concept of sp conservation or keeping a tank up. Really frustrating. I'd be OK with the situation if the dude actually learned something from the experience but it sure didn't seem like it.

[Dolphious]

Honestly, I didn't carry heal scrolls at first. Now I can't live without them-cheap cheap SP free healing is invaluable. I was (fairly) civil talking to this dude but he just didn't want to learn. Even invited him to a 1 on 1 chat afterwards to try and talk about what happened but just didn't even understand the concept of sp conservation or keeping a tank up. Really frustrating. I'd be OK with the situation if the dude actually learned something from the experience but it sure didn't seem like it.

Ah, yeah, that is obnoxious and unacceptable. Not knowing is IMO fine and part of the game, so is being a moron from time to time. Refusing to adapt or listen means you're probably not going to be someone that is fun to group with for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is it's just no fun to fail the same way twice.

[enearh]

(...) didn't even understand the concept of sp conservation or keeping a tank up. Really frustrating. I'd be OK with the situation if the dude actually learned something from the experience but it sure didn't seem like it.

Some Cannith folk are prone to folly. Ignorance is bliss, they say?

You give them advice, tell to visit forums/ddowiki and learn the BASICS of the game and their class. In return you get curses, drama and squelches. Oh well... you can't win 'em all!

I was once a newb, I am still one in some aspects, but I am not ignorant noob.

[Ragnar7]

I hate how somehow every forum posted by any member of zerg ends up having negative statements about zerg as a whole, I know I have personally hosted many ToD raids and had Mechgruber heal main tank a multitude of times and every last time he heals the tank, the tank never dies and we succeed in the end. yes sometimes they will tank on fvs (nothing wrong with that) but every last one of them is capable of healing when need be (granted i cannot say much seeing as the closest thing to a healer i have played in end game raids is my arti which again i am extremely happy to heal a tank on my arti i can keep scrolls in my hand keeping tanks alive and blast my runearm to keep doing dmg as well)

This was just a thread on how to properly heal a tank, WHO CARES WHO POSTED IT?

It wasn't meant to be negative. In my experience a raid comprised of primarily Zerg favored souls, means you will not get heals, they will all just DoT and blade barrier everything. That's fine people can play the game in whatever manner is fun for them. It just means I won't be joining on a melee.

Yes, Mech offered good advice and I don't know him very well but he has always healed in pug groups I have seen him in.

Also, thanks for the attempt at giving me negative rep., but it didn't work.

[nbaker18]

It wasn't meant to be negative. In my experience a raid comprised of primarily Zerg favored souls, means you will not get heals, they will all just DoT and blade barrier everything. That's fine people can play the game in whatever manner is fun for them. It just means I won't be joining on a melee.

Yes, Mech offered good advice and I don't know him very well but he has always healed in pug groups I have seen him in.

Also, thanks for the attempt at giving me negative rep., but it didn't work.

If your talking about me trying to give you neg rep, and I didn't even try I actually have nothing against you at all whether it be forums or in game, I just see this and sigkurs post about zerg and what it really is makes a lot of negative comments about the tribe, Just don't like seeing people trash talked in general

[Arakasia]

Be that as it may but,

In this instance he is correct, and specifically when you consider the raid that he is talking about, some toons can quite reliably heal themselves, while tanking but sometimes for those times when they aren't built for that purpose or be it class restrictions on what they can actually do.. and they require a healer to help them maintain themselves...

Though I missed the raid personally, sorry bout that mech, by the time i had changed toons you had filled, STANDARD PRACTICE for healers should be for them to carry mass heal to start with as soon as you can, have some heal scrolls available as well.. even at a bare minimum, should have the heal spell and CCW..

EVEN my arty carries heal scrolls, just in case!!!!!!

To not have these bare minimums is to fail as a healer... flame me if you want to, but it's till the truth, especially once you have gotten to the raid TOD..

hate me if you like but I have a capped fvs, and I've TR'ed my pure cleric

[Der_Incubo]

Be that as it may but,

In this instance he is correct, and specifically when you consider the raid that he is talking about, some toons can quite reliably heal themselves, while tanking but sometimes for those times when they aren't built for that purpose or be it class restrictions on what they can actually do.. and they require a healer to help them maintain themselves...

Though I missed the raid personally, sorry bout that mech, by the time i had changed toons you had filled, STANDARD PRACTICE for healers should be for them to carry mass heal to start with as soon as you can, have some heal scrolls available as well.. even at a bare minimum, should have the heal spell and CCW..

EVEN my arty carries heal scrolls, just in case!!!!!!

To not have these bare minimums is to fail as a healer... flame me if you want to, but it's till the truth, especially once you have gotten to the raid TOD..

hate me if you like but I have a capped fvs, and I've TR'ed my pure cleric

I carry 2 stacks on all my characters that can cast em.. them bastards get expensive tho, lotta first lifers/timers prolly havent stocked up on pots and plat, hell, think it took me several years to break a mil plat.

[morticianjohn]

Trophies are BTA so even if he has 20 that doesn't mean he has 20 completions on his healer.

Situations like this really make me wonder though...

I have talked to a few healers on Cannith who refuse to use heal scrolls. I understand their point of view (although i do not subscribe to that kind of thinking) but IMO if you're going to do ToD, and VoD it is expected of you that your heals will last the duration. If the tank is less than stellar this means scrolls.

[Dolphious]

Heal scrolls are one of those things that people usually have to be told about, most don't discover how useful they are independently. Just one of those learning curve things, next time he'll know to bring scrolls.

So a 20 min raid might fail (or more realistically the other divine(s) have to work a bit harder to cover), no biggie.