Epic is the new Casual

[Ryiah]

Personally not a fan of the new definition of epic either. As it basicly means "nothing, cept maybe lvl20+, sorta".

Clearly this is where we blame Turbine for being too lazy to implement things properly. Instead they were all "Lets ramp up the CRs, give them a special buff, and call it EPIC!"

Except... quests like Epic Bargain of Blood were anything but Epic.

[pHo3nix]

Try not playing your sorc and play a melee. Melee is like playing the game on Crazy Insane mode...

At least while lvling up playing a melee takes just a little longer than a caster, it's not harder, unless you follow the reasoning of turbine that says: "longer=harder".

In my gimp Rogue life that hopefully i'm going to finish today i did just fine, i was just slower than when i was on my sorc life, i found some quests a little harder, but i got no problems at all. People should learn how to play a melee and build some self-sufficiency instead of complaining

I agree with the OP, and i do not have everything. They are dumbing down the game and making possible for everyone to complete everything, removing every incentive to improve our toons and considering some items in the DDO store, they will sell soon everything you need to improve your toon (probably they will sell PLs and completionist) in the store, removing every reason to play the game.

[grayham]

I'm sorry OP, I can't take you seriously. First of all even if your argument had merit, it's hard to feel as though you speak for the community when you appear to have 13-14 past lives spread across 5-6 characters on a high ranking guild in Khyber. You're not exactly Joe Average.

Secondly what you seem most upset about is semantics, definition changing. So there are quests with 'Epic' in the title that will be less than challenging, and some with 'Epic' in that will be very difficult. Shrug. Semantics.

[kierg10]

I agree with the OP, and i do not have everything. They are dumbing down the game and making possible for everyone to complete everything, removing every incentive to improve our toons and considering some items in the DDO store, they will sell soon everything you need to improve your toon (probably they will sell PLs and completionist) in the store, removing every reason to play the game.

How did you get this? They have the +3 tomes in the store, which are always limited time, and, seriously, aren't too powerful, and you have the tomes of fate giving you TWO, let me repeat that, TWO more fate points to spend. Now, this might allow you to get slightly better combos than normal, but it won't kill the game, and it is so far from P2Win that I laugh my ass of when people say they will be "selling PLs and completionist" in the store.

[Dwarfo]

Now, this might allow you to get slightly better combos than normal, but it won't kill the game, and it is so far from P2Win that I laugh my ass of when people say they will be "selling PLs and completionist" in the store.

Maybe he typed that to make you laugh your ass off? As a joke?

OP: Yeah I completely agree. Epic should be challenging and epics are now a joke - except for elite which is just inflated HP/DPS of mobs. It would be more fun if they added say a suprise Epic Elite only encounter, or a mob you only face on EE that requires strategy to beat. But no. MOAR HP MOAR DPS FOR MOBS

[bigolbear]

challenge is available in this game at all lvls

Try playing from lvl 1 with no twinking at all. it makes for a much more challenging game and further more the random trash loot actualy gains some value.

and EPIC now means lvl 20+, as such epic normal must cater for the the majority. you should be playing on epic elite, if not then quit yer moaning.

[PopeJual]

I have a lot of sympathy for people who make posts complaining that Normal is too hard for them on a particular quest. I have similar sympathy for people who complain that Elite (or old-style Epic) is too easy for them on a particular quest.

I have no sympathy for people who complain that Elite is too hard when they're not willing to run Normal. I have no sympathy for people who complain that Normal is too easy when they're not willing to run Elite.

Let's see how things work out on Monday and Tuesday before deciding whether the new epics are too hard or too easy. There are a lot of specific changes that I don't like in the new update, but I think we'll need to see the quests in action before we can give reasonable criticisms on overall game difficulty.

[Therrias]

If you want a descriptor that specifically refers to the hardest endgame content currently in game, then make something up, and maybe it will stick.

[dejafu]

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[praetor]

challenge is available in this game at all lvls

Try playing from lvl 1 with no twinking at all. it makes for a much more challenging game and further more the random trash loot actualy gains some value..

players should not have to intentionally gimp themselves in order to be challenged in this game. that is a mark of poor game design.

[Tid12]

players should not have to intentionally gimp themselves in order to be challenged in this game. that is a mark of poor game design.

Still, you have 100 levels on your sorc, 140 on your barb, in a top guild and dare to say this game is easy without even trying the finished product on live?

EE is challenging.

I'm sorry, your words can't be taken seriously. This game has enough modes to be challenging to everyone, mediocre, average and top players.

[FrostBeard]

i agree EPIC is a stupid name for destiny xp or level20+ xp, which is what it is really. a mode so you can level your destinys.

call it Destiny Mode or something different.

EPIC should have its own category.

or another simpler option have only level 20+ quests grant destiny xp,
after all you should have to do quests above or at your level to advance. not farm lower level easy short ones.

Just from the stand point of a new player, "EPIC" is a term used to describe extreme or very difficult setting or option. not a good name for a new xp feature.

[zwiebelring]

Everything above lvl. 20 is epic. That is according to DnD ruleset.

There is a deifference between epic settings and epic gaming experience. The latter cannot be measured but people can always confess, that some games are not there taste.

[Jasparion]

challenge is available in this game at all lvls

Try playing from lvl 1 with no twinking at all. it makes for a much more challenging game and further more the random trash loot actualy gains some value.

Doing that on a F2P account where first I got to 400 Favor to unlock Drow, and then I made a Drow Rogue. No special gear or anything. Most of the time did just fine, just took a while longer.

But I wanted to get more TP so I used an XP stone to jump to 16 so I can then easily unlock more Favor. The next toon will then get access to a few packs, so will hopefully be able to go all the way to 20.

[ArkoHighStar]

the devs have redefined the word epic, because its old meaning no longer applies, now we have two games

the Heroic levels 1-20
the Epic levels 20-25

The Epic game is no longer reserved for those who want an epic challenge, it needs to be accessible to all players for the game to stay healthy.

With that said the addition of difficulties of Casual/Normal/Hard/Elite difficulties solves the issue of a challenge, just like it did for the first 20 levels. This system still provides challenge with elite settings and allows more casual players to keep playing after lvl 20.

[arminius]

So you've done a lot of work to make your characters uber, with many multiple past lives and God only knows how many hours played and how much epic loot hoarded. You group with some of the best characters in the game, and together your uber power is multiplied uberexponentially.

You did it all to be bad *ssed and make the content easy for you, so you could blast through it and become even more bad *ssed.

Well congratulations, you are bad *ssed and the content is easy for you. You won! Here, have a gold star sticker. Hell, have two.

No, wait, you have a complaint?

[Eladiun]

I think ull like Epic Elite..

N and H are like casual sure.. But EE maybe good =)

Agreed. Hit that Graveyard quest on Epic Elite. It was quite the challenge. Completed but we took a beating.

[Eladiun]

With that said the addition of difficulties of Casual/Normal/Hard/Elite difficulties solves the issue of a challenge, just like it did for the first 20 levels. This system still provides challenge with elite settings and allows more casual players to keep playing after lvl 20.

Agreed, Elite has been ramped up on both Heroic and Epic to provide significant challenge.

[knockcocker]

Agreed, Elite has been ramped up on both Heroic and Epic to provide significant challenge.

Agreed (again). Heroic elite is noticeably harder.

[praetor]

now that the update has been out and we've all been upgraded to god-mode (or should i say quests were downgraded to easy-mode), it looks like i was right.

1) i have personally solo'd epic hard and normal of every eberron quest, except for quests that require 2+ people (obv). many melee have also accomplished the same feat, so think before you start shouting "its cuz ur a sorc!!!111one"

2) i have personally solo'd about half of eberron on epic elite, and there are posts of melees, healers, doing the same.

3) all the above applies to the new content as well, almost all of it can be destroyed on epic hard or below by a single player.

thanks for playing, naysayers, but you lose.