"Let them...die"

[psi0nix]

Over the past few months there has been a constant whinge going on these forums as to the nature of casters, and that they are OP, to the point where turbine is starting to listen and is looking at nerfing casters.

So the overly loud voices of a few will cause the masses to have their toons nerfed, ok, fine.

But, I would say to ALL casters, do NOT heal them, do NOT res them, do NOT DoT up the end boss, do not Buff them, cast no CC unless YOUR life is in danger,

"Let them die".

Maybe after a while of this perhaps the vocal few melee will realise that we have these abilities for a reason and alot of it supports them.

Think of it as a "casters on strike" type deal.

I will not be "helping" any melee toon other than guildies, and I will gladly tell them why.

Perhaps this would give the silent masses a reason to come on the forums and post so that everyones voice is heard not just a small few who for whatever reason seem to be so jealous of the "blue bar"....

LET THEM DIE.

[AMDarkwolf]

Ah I see, you want to be ***pwnbbqallthatmoves and if thosepeonmeleegimps don't like it, you will just solo in a group of 6?

Great logic.

[psi0nix]

Ah I see, you want to be ***pwnbbqallthatmoves and if thosepeonmeleegimps don't like it, you will just solo in a group of 6?

Great logic.

That didn't really make much sense, the first part anyway.

And no, not solo in a group of six, quite the opposite, let the melee take care of things, let them take care of the mobs, let them take care of the boss, let them take care of themselves...... let them die.

It seems that the melee lobby are unhappy with casters being in their groups and they are unhappy with casters playing the game their way, so again, don't.

Let them group together without a divine, without a wiz or sorc, without an arti.

Let them die.

They want to nerf our characters because they somehow feel inadequate ? - well, that's nothing compared to the inadequacy of being unable to complete.

Sure there are some melee who won't have a problem on their own, but they are not the ones on the forums screaming for casters to be nerfed.

The larger game playerbase is not even aware of what is happening on these forums, so it might be worth "helping" them become aware, and perhaps even encourage them to voice their opinions, so more of the player base can have a say, not just a few who are hell bent on nerfing casters.

[Maxallu]

You will always need boots on the ground.

[Jasparion]

Can you tell us your server and toon names so we know not to invite you?

[Zachski]

As a caster player, I only have one thing to say to the TC.

No.

[psi0nix]

It's in my sig. feel free.

And i will be encouraging all divines and casters alike to do likewise. Melee apparently don't like us or our abilities so why should they benefit from them ?

[Matuse]

You don't have a .sig

[Bilger]

It's in my sig. feel free.

And i will be encouraging all divines and casters alike to do likewise. Melee apparently don't like us or our abilities so why should they benefit from them ?

unless bugged as of this moment there is no sig lol

And to your idea umm NO!!

Seriously why would someone ruin there rep and mess over others because of a sm nerf which will barely affect a good castre anyways lol

[Doomcrew]

/passes cheese to the OP.

[psi0nix]

Why ? - heres why.

Because this is supposed to be a "team" based game, we now have a situation where one part of that team is doing it's best to bring the other part down, have their abilities nerfed.

Sure at the moment it's just a "little nerf", but it's never enough, the tears will keep flowing until casters have gone the way of the ranger.

I think there needs to be a little bit of a wake up call to the melee players who spend all their time attacking casters abilities.

People have spent years gearing their toons, TR'n them, optimising their builds and working on their "efficiency" in game, only to be told that they are "too good at it" now, and need to have these things taken away . . . . .

The melee crowd will not be happy until we have nothing but buffs (to give to them of course) and heals.

And the larger server population is unaware this is even occuring, mentioning this in game would indeed get some response from those that otherwise would not.

Why the need to call for nerfs ? - why not call for your own perferred class to be buffed instead ?

Many just don't like others to have fun it seems, and it must be "serious" business this video game playing, there is reputation (???in a video game this means .....) and there is "balance" (go play WoW).

We have invested alot of time, effort, and money into our casters, and I don't want to just sit back and watch as the tearful melee crowd tear them down to nothing.


As for my .sig - I can see it and others Np..... oh well. My name is Macross The Black of Ghallanda - if you choose to, don't group with me, I won't be "buffing, healing, CC'n, or insta-killing" for you, so yes, if that's not to your liking then don't group with me.

[Maxallu]

Wow, one person acting like a jerk in game. Just think of all the good that can be accomplished if everyone acts like a jerk in game.

Because acting like a jerk and getting all upset is more useful than say, well thought out forum posts and cooperation?

Edit for clarification: If there is any confusion, blatantly claiming that they will grief all melees in game is imo, acting like a jerk.

[Zachski]

You're incorrect. Based off of the flawed premise that everyone brings something to the party right now.

The problem is that, for a team game, there isn't a lot of teamwork going on right now, BECAUSE of casters.

Melees are being left out of the gameplay because of casters.

These same casters who can solo epic content.

Before you judge people as "wanting to bring the man down", actually listen to their arguments first. The game is unbalanced. Good games are balanced.

Melees WANT teamwork. Namely, they want to actually be a PART of the team rather than just a tag along.

Get a clue.

[Scraap]

Nah, think I'll just keep pointing out implementation oversights and calling for melee buffs. When the inevitable whining gets to much for turbine and they nerf sorcs and divines too, I'll ride it out till the folks that actively campaign against casters get their way, then turn around a month later screaming. And then I will laugh.

[psi0nix]

You're incorrect. Based off of the flawed premise that everyone brings something to the party right now.

The problem is that, for a team game, there isn't a lot of teamwork going on right now, BECAUSE of casters.

Melees are being left out of the gameplay because of casters.

These same casters who can solo epic content.

Before you judge people as "wanting to bring the man down", actually listen to their arguments first. The game is unbalanced. Good games are balanced.

Melees WANT teamwork. Namely, they want to actually be a PART of the team rather than just a tag along.

Get a clue.

They "do" bring something to the party, you seem to be putting the top echelon of casters out there as the majority.

If you as a melee toon cannot "keep up" with the casters in group then you either are not playing very well, or are grouping with the best of the best casters.

In both situations that is not the norm.

And as for "being a jerk", is that more or less of a "jerK" than trying to have others characters nerfed because you have an inferiority complex ? or are having trouble getting the meaninless "kill count".

I group with barbs / fighters / pally's all the time, and they bring plenty to the group, in many quests they are invaluable.

I've had my stone carried through elite Bastion by a pally, who saved the day and got us all up and onwards to a completion - a "Good" player who has a good build, and never has trouble keeping up, in fact with that particular pally, I have trouble keeping up with him.

Does this mean I should come to the forums and cry that the pally is overpowered and needs to be nerfed because I feel that I cannot contribute as much as they ?

No, it means If I want to change that, I should look at how I play / how I've built, and "improve" instead of trying to bring others down to that level.

This opinion that melee bring nothing to the party is completely wrong, I also have a melee toon, a monk, but a melee nonetheless, and he is very useful in many quests, where my wiz would have trouble.

Try doing the Crucible swim on a wizard . . . (on elite).

My monk does, wow, it must be OP class then . . .

As I've said many times, the people on the forums are taking the best of best players as the example that casters are OP, they are NOT the majority.

[Bilger]

Why ? - heres why.

Because this is supposed to be a "team" based game, we now have a situation where one part of that team is doing it's best to bring the other part down, have their abilities nerfed.

As ya said "Team Based" and what you suggest is team based apparently

Sure at the moment it's just a "little nerf", but it's never enough, the tears will keep flowing until casters have gone the way of the ranger.

Seriously it isn't a major nerf and was needed and this is coming from a caster player who has put the time into there casters

I think there needs to be a little bit of a wake up call to the melee players who spend all their time attacking casters abilities.

You will still have those abilities just in a lesser capacity and there will always be whiners. Since played there have been multiple nerfs both ways and will be in future ruining anothers time in game isn't the answer. Seriously, I have done every quest in game with a caster, melee, healer, bard, whatever class ya name. Just because you do nothing as a caster in group doesn't mean failure lol if ya think that might need a ego check.

People have spent years gearing their toons, TR'n them, optimising their builds and working on their "efficiency" in game, only to be told that they are "too good at it" now, and need to have these things taken away . . . . .

The melee crowd will not be happy until we have nothing but buffs (to give to them of course) and heals.

read above

And the larger server population is unaware this is even occuring, mentioning this in game would indeed get some response from those that otherwise would not.

then mention in game don't mess another times up because you got a sm nerf

Why the need to call for nerfs ? - why not call for your own perferred class to be buffed instead ?

Many just don't like others to have fun it seems, and it must be "serious" business this video game playing, there is reputation (???in a video game this means .....) and there is "balance" (go play WoW).

Not serious business but you do get a rep if a good player or if a bad player. You also get a rep from just being a jerk which you propose to be. Loses groups for you and possibly guildies, if name gets bad enough, and seen it you will just be done in and unless have good guildies not get many groups.

We have invested alot of time, effort, and money into our casters, and I don't want to just sit back and watch as the tearful melee crowd tear them down to nothing.

Then mention it in groups don't mess with others time and money just because ya have hurt feelings

As for my .sig - I can see it and others Np..... oh well. My name is Macross The Black of Ghallanda - if you choose to, don't group with me, I won't be "buffing, healing, CC'n, or insta-killing" for you, so yes, if that's not to your liking then don't group with me.

In red

[psi0nix]

I don't plan on entering a group and leaving them posted, I DO plan on telling people simply, as I have above, that these are things I won't be doing, if you don't like that then don't add me. Most I would assume will ask "why". Others may just move on and look elsewhere.

The "point" is to cause a response. Telling people in game, they are all "yes we will go have a say on this" - but then really they just move on and forget all about it.

If enough casters say the same thing, then it might inspire more people to actually have a say, get more casters on here who DONT have a 99+ DC and wail an entire dungeon while lightning shoots from their proverbial . . . .

When a FVS or cleric joins and says, "i'm not healing anyone, so if you don't want that then I won't come along". Maybe even when it's nearly impossible to GET a healer then the melee might listen.

And as far impacting on others gameplay in a negative way: This is exactly what the melee crowd on the forums here have done ! and they will keep doing it until their game is "impacted negatively".

[PopeJual]

The problem is that, for a team game, there isn't a lot of teamwork going on right now, BECAUSE of casters.

This is simply incorrect.

There is lots of teamwork in this game. Sometimes it doesn't *feel* like there is a lot of teamwork because some people don't *feel* like their contribution matters as much as other people's, but the teamwork is there.

It would be nice if melee and casters were better balanced, but that doesn't mean that melee aren't contributing. In an overwhelming portion of the parties that are running quests, melee are absolutely contributing and there absolutely is teamwork.

[Bilger]

I don't plan on entering a group and leaving them posted, I DO plan on telling people simply, as I have above, that these are things I won't be doing, if you don't like that then don't add me. Most I would assume will ask "why". Others may just move on and look elsewhere.

The "point" is to cause a response. Telling people in game, they are all "yes we will go have a say on this" - but then really they just move on and forget all about it.

If enough casters say the same thing, then it might inspire more people to actually have a say, get more casters on here who DONT have a 99+ DC and wail an entire dungeon while lightning shoots from their proverbial . . . .

When a FVS or cleric joins and says, "i'm not healing anyone, so if you don't want that then I won't come along". Maybe even when it's nearly impossible to GET a healer then the melee might listen.

And as far impacting on others gameplay in a negative way: This is exactly what the melee crowd on the forums here have done ! and they will keep doing it until their game is "impacted negatively".

Well plan on getting the boot A LOT before quest starts lol

Same with the fvs or cleric if advertising for that spot 99% of time they are there for heals if can add dps and heal awesome but coming in and saying I refuse to do this which is requested by leader usually gets a quick boot.

The nerf isn't even in game yet how do you even know the effects will have on you seriously lol How can something ruin game for you that you haven't even tried lol

They have kept at it and made a change. Your suggestion is not something that will do that.

Just voice your opinion in groups and on forums point it out to others it may make a change if popular opinion. That's what they did and seemed to work. Being a jerk gets a negative affect and will hurt your cause in the long run. Who wants to support a jerk.

[psi0nix]

I would expect to not be running with almost anyone after telling them that, but that's something I am prepared to cop.

And like I said, if a lot of people do that, then it will quickly become an issue.

The current nerf, is not that bad sure, but it's the future that concerns me, where does it stop ?

It seems that nothing makes those happy that want to see casters nerfed.

There IS a nerf in the works, and yet there are still pages and pages (albeit from the same people) still crying that casters are OP.

Something like this might change their tune, and it's probably better to have an "artificial" lack of healers / casters, than the real lack of them in the long run once they are all nerfed to oblivion and don't want to play anymore.

Why argue for nerfs ? - why not argue for buffs to the class who feels left out. ?


And "don't mess with peoples time and money" ---- how about the melee crowd "don't mess with peoples time and money" -----because that is exactly what they are doing by lobbying to get casters nerfed, they are impacting negatively on mine and every other casters game and making all the time and money we have spent on our toon, worth less, to the point where many feel so "down" about it they want to quit the game.

If that's not "being a jerk" then I don't know what is......