Why is divine might 1 minute?

[Anthios888]

DDO cannot possibly hate paladins more than me, so why is divine might 1 minute?

I love special abilities, and Divine Might is an important part of the cleric and paladin experience. Spending your entire evening buffing up for a fight (which you usually miss by the time you are done primping) should not be part of that experience! Divine might is powerful, but punitive.

The great update on hard-to-use lowbie buffs is a step in the right direction to reducing player irritation.

Numerous low-level spell buffs with a duration of 1/minute per caster level have had their durations changed: they are still 1/minute per caster level, but they now have a minimum of 5 minutes. This includes the animal stat buffs (such as Cat's Grace), Jump, Bless, Expeditious Retreat, nightshield, Protection from Evil, Ram's might, Shield, and Tumble.

[voodoogroves]

DDO cannot possibly hate paladins more than me, so why is divine might 1 minute?

I love special abilities, and Divine Might is an important part of the cleric and paladin experience. Spending your entire evening buffing up for a fight (which you usually miss by the time you are done primping) should not be part of that experience! Divine might is powerful, but punitive.

The great update on hard-to-use lowbie buffs is a step in the right direction to reducing player irritation.

Totally agree. That casting animation is so slow too. Nothing that slow should only last a minute.

[t0r012]

yeah I can get behind longer DM.

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side question
the 5min minimum on low level spells , does that extend to clickies as well?

if so, I might have to start carrying shield clickies again

[Fomori]

At the very least allow the successive tiers to increase the duration. Even 20 extra seconds per tier taken would be something. That would be 2 minutes per DM at tier 4, which takes 10AP and a natural 20 Charisma as it is.

[Anthios888]

yeah I can get behind longer DM.

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side question
the 5min minimum on low level spells , does that extend to clickies as well?

if so, I might have to start carrying shield clickies again

That's what I've heard!

[era42]

Divine might should be replaced with the active paladin past life feat. Which grants divine might -like effect. With the difference that the duration with extend is reasonable (3minutes or so if I remember right), and the casting time is around half a second. It's so much more enjoyable to use than the real divine might it's silly.

[Krelar]

Divine might should be replaced with the active paladin past life feat. Which grants divine might -like effect. With the difference that the duration with extend is reasonable (3minutes or so if I remember right), and the casting time is around half a second. It's so much more enjoyable to use than the real divine might it's silly.

Except the past life feat is exactly the same as the level 1 paladin spells divine favor, so it won't stack.

[redspecter23]

Paladins aren't allowed to have nice things. I think the best way to get this ability buffed up isn't to lobby for a paladin buff but to add it to the sorcerer savant lines and lobby for it on the basis of a sorcerer buff. If it were a sorcerer ability, I think they'd give it the buff it deserves Paladins benefiting would just be a happy side effect.

[sly_1]

tie it to cha bonus. 1 min per +1 cha bonus.

This way, cost -> benefit.

Hell while you're at it add a feat "epic divine might" like in pnp where it gets double damage and duration, therefore more cost -> more benefit.

[Gremmlynn]

tie it to cha bonus. 1 min per +1 cha bonus.

This way, cost -> benefit.

Hell while you're at it add a feat "epic divine might" like in pnp where it gets double damage and duration, therefore more cost -> more benefit.

1 min +x seconds/+1 cha bonus would be a bit more reasonable. With x being 12, 15 or at most 20.

[Carpone]

Agreed: Divine Might duration needs to be lengthened and the animation needs to be shorter/quickened.

Can't find the reference at the moment, but I believe there was analysis that anything less than DM3 was actually a DPS loss due to the short duration+long cast time.

[slimkj]

Also agree. It'd be better to have fewer that lasted longer, I think.

[Failedlegend]

I'd say that any buffs that total less than 5 minutes at CL 20 should be lengthened a bit...say 1 Minute at CL1 + 12 Seconds per Levels totaling 5 minutes at Lvl 20.

I mean I really love my DoS Paladin but these short buffs really make him a chore to play (same with spells like haste,etc.)

I'd also like to see Action Boost times increased...maybe decrease the amount of uses to balkance the increased length or make it last longer with each rank.

[Purkilius]

Agreed

pls Turbine listen there have been multiple threads and posts about this issue!

[garlor]

why deadly weapons ( and many other buffs like gh fom etc ) has a cooldown of 5 seconds thus making the buff time a lot longer than needed?, I'm sure it would be deadly in combat if the cooldown were shorter ...

why power surge also lasts 1 minute?

why several feats animation lower your dps? ( improved sunder )

why haven't we a major and lesser contingency spell, with which we can cast all the buffs we decide in 1 go?

[Ralmeth]

I could definitely get behind divine might lasting longer and having a faster animation time. Ideally divine might should be similar in length and casting time to divine favor and zeal so that you can redo your short term buffs more or less at the same time.

In the meantime, my best advice is to hit divine might while running into combat. You can run at full speed while casting it, so generally hit it about 5 seconds before you enter combat to make sure the animation is complete by the time you get to the mobs.

[Chai]

Agreed: Divine Might duration needs to be lengthened and the animation needs to be shorter/quickened.

Can't find the reference at the moment, but I believe there was analysis that anything less than DM3 was actually a DPS loss due to the short duration+long cast time.

This is only true if it needs to be refreshed in combat. If people approach combat, use the ability, then start swinging, its pure DPS gain.

Shorter activation will make it a more useful ability in longer fights - raid bosses - which last longer than 60 seconds - where the ability needs to be refreshed to be effective.

It isnt the duration that bothers me, its the activation time, because where DMs contribution should be most noticed, its a debate as to whether to even refresh the ability at all.

[bartosy]

why deadly weapons ( and many other buffs like gh fom etc ) has a cooldown of 5 seconds thus making the buff time a lot longer than needed?, I'm sure it would be deadly in combat if the cooldown were shorter ...

why power surge also lasts 1 minute?

why several feats animation lower your dps? ( improved sunder )

why haven't we a major and lesser contingency spell, with which we can cast all the buffs we decide in 1 go?

your post makes lill sense..

but to answer the power surge and the feats animation imp sunder in particular..

power surge is part of a working kensai pre wich does a lot more then the current paladins pre.. the main difference is that

kensai in comparison to kotc actually provides solid dps and is actually viable to bring and most of all...

doesn't require 20 !! FRICKING BASE CHARISMA !!

you know what it's like to pump 17 or 16 points into one stat at creation and know it will barely help you.. untill youre lvl 20 and realise your class is a 4 button wonder every 1 or 2 minutes and is only viable vs evil outsiders and is mainly **** on anything else..

and on the imp sunder note.. it might lower your dps a bit but in the end the -10% fort will give all the melee in the party and you a worthy dps boost that will nullify that loss in seconds..

[Slimeball]

DDO cannot possibly hate paladins more than me, so why is divine might 1 minute?

I love special abilities, and Divine Might is an important part of the cleric and paladin experience. Spending your entire evening buffing up for a fight (which you usually miss by the time you are done primping) should not be part of that experience! Divine might is powerful, but punitive.

The great update on hard-to-use lowbie buffs is a step in the right direction to reducing player irritation.

totally agree 100%

[phalaeo]

Agreed, agreed, agreed to all.

I made a large CHA investment into a character that is ALREADY clicky-intensive. If you think it's bad on a Paladin, try running it on a Cleric. By the time I reach the mobs, they're dead.... and I know how to buff on the run...

Needs to have both a shorter casting animation, and a duration increase based on character level.

Please?