Kicked with not chance to explain...

[Belwaar]

Elitist and Sexist imo.

[jydog100]

Why do you say that Jeffy?

note to self: DONT DRINK WHILE READING THIS STUFF!!!!!

[Gawna]

I think stainer's ears are still ringing from my screech of "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AATS!" over mic!

[FranOhmsford]

with a 6/10 join date i dont think you were around when epic von 5 had search/disable/open lock dc's in the 85+ range. at the time they were the highest traps in the game and brought on a lot of discussion to nerf them (they did, obviously).

his inaccurate fact was saying that a first life human would fail traps when in reality any race at any time at any life stage can fail or succede at any trap.

The stereotypes that get put on rogues is nothing new and will always be there to some degree. Play the toon as best you can. gear it up well and move on. If you get denied, ohwell. move on. Heck, I've been denied on some easy **** on my rogue (500+ hp, 40+ str yadda yadda yadda). I can always pull her out when eric needs a barbarian for the shroud!!!

My Join date means nothing - In fact I did begin playing this game in 2010 and only started running VoN more than a year later.
I've never run an Epic VoN 5 BUT I'm now extremely annoyed that they nerfed those trap DCs - I think this is a bad thing.


His innacurate fact was IN FACT an OBSERVATION and he DID NOT say ALL - He simply said that he was wary of Non-Drow Rogues as they were less likely to be able to safely disable all traps.
This was in reply to the guy who made a statement that basically he would never accept Drow Rogues unless he knew the player.

Stop harping on the fact that {as we all know} any rogue can get all traps at end game {let's face it a Mech can get well over 100 DD and the highest trap DC in the game is 72 {Gianthold} }.
And realise that the guy was simply defending Drow Rogues.

BTW I see no reason why we can't go back to 85+ DCs for traps in Epic quests {Just Disable - Keep Spot and Search as is}.
Especially with all the Gear we can get now.

It would also be nice if 1 Lvl of Rogue wasn't enough to do every single trap in the game - A friend of mine would like for a Min Rogue/Arti Lvl to be added in.
Perhaps Min Lvl 2 Rogue/Arti for Traps of Lvl 11-14
Min Lvl 4 Rogue/Arti for Traps of Lvl 15-18
Min Lvl 6 Rogue/Arti for Traps of Lvl 19+
BUT ONLY ON ELITE {Epic Hard/Elite}.

Rogue splash like Monk splash is perhaps a bit too powerful as is.

[wax_on_wax_off]

My Join date means nothing - In fact I did begin playing this game in 2010 and only started running VoN more than a year later.
I've never run an Epic VoN 5 BUT I'm now extremely annoyed that they nerfed those trap DCs - I think this is a bad thing.


His innacurate fact was IN FACT an OBSERVATION and he DID NOT say ALL - He simply said that he was wary of Non-Drow Rogues as they were less likely to be able to safely disable all traps.
This was in reply to the guy who made a statement that basically he would never accept Drow Rogues unless he knew the player.

Stop harping on the fact that {as we all know} any rogue can get all traps at end game {let's face it a Mech can get well over 100 DD and the highest trap DC in the game is 72 {Gianthold} }.
And realise that the guy was simply defending Drow Rogues.

BTW I see no reason why we can't go back to 85+ DCs for traps in Epic quests {Just Disable - Keep Spot and Search as is}.
Especially with all the Gear we can get now.

It would also be nice if 1 Lvl of Rogue wasn't enough to do every single trap in the game - A friend of mine would like for a Min Rogue/Arti Lvl to be added in.
Perhaps Min Lvl 2 Rogue/Arti for Traps of Lvl 11-14
Min Lvl 4 Rogue/Arti for Traps of Lvl 15-18
Min Lvl 6 Rogue/Arti for Traps of Lvl 19+
BUT ONLY ON ELITE {Epic Hard/Elite}.

Rogue splash like Monk splash is perhaps a bit too powerful as is.

This just sounds to me like someone who made a "trap disarming character" getting upset because he realised that traps don't really matter in the scheme of things.

The overwhelming trend has been to make quests accessible to players without requiring trap skills and there's no reason to think that will change.

The high trap damage on elite quests with moderate to high DCs required is as good as we're going to get for actually "requiring" a trap capable character.

As a raid/group leader if all I wanted was someone to disable a trap without there being any risk of death then I'd have no issue with a drow rogue. However, most of the traps that actually need to be disabled also rely on a possible evasion save and most pug drow rogues (key word: most) wouldn't be able to survive if they rolled a 1 as they weren't built with any regard to HP.

So far I don't care about the -10% from puggers but if I do start to care then drow rogues will be some of the first to be excluded.

One of my first characters was a drow rogue and remains the only character that I deleted that I put some actual time and love in to.

[flynnjsw]

Elitist and Sexist imo.

No one believes a Griefer.

[flynnjsw]

Non drow rogues lack rogue skills, you know this fact.

His innacurate fact was IN FACT an OBSERVATION and he DID NOT say ALL - He simply said that he was wary of Non-Drow Rogues as they were less likely to be able to safely disable all traps.
This was in reply to the guy who made a statement that basically he would never accept Drow Rogues unless he knew the player.

I know you are BFF's (Best Forum Friends) and all, but when defending someone you really should make sure you are correct before taking it all the way.

[taurean430]

You can't disable traps if you're dead.

Or when a WF is jumping up and down in front of the box

[CoasterHops]

People still disable traps in content post Lvl 20?

I thought disabling traps was good for xp and that was that, oh well at least it might have a use when levelling from 20 - 25.

[mobrien316]

Generally, the last thing I do before I log out with a character is get all the ship buffs so I am ready to hit an LFM when I log back in. The last buff is the training dummy, for which I equip my smiting weapons.


At least a dozen times (probably a lot more than that) I have tried to join a group and gotten tells asking me why I thought I needed smiting weapons to run VoD, or HoX, or whatever.

The clueless leaders would MyDDO me and see that I had smiting weapons and would apparently assume that I carried them all the time and used them for everything.

Generally, you are not losing out on anything when people like that decline you.

[Gawna]

Or when a WF is jumping up and down in front of the box

I was being your trap cheerleader.

Also, Fran, I'm not a guy.

P.S. LOL DROW

[AirbornedChild]

Based on your posting history; and having been present in parties with you, I'm quite sure you are not in a position to give anyone build advice at all.

Furthermore, the person you are quoting is just the opposite. The irony in this... Over 9000!

Are you sure? Many people say that there is better way to spend 3 ap instead of taking +10 HP. All halfling rogues I know said that they do not take both lines for SA( I mean to rank IV). I saw halgling legends and rogue legends. They are equal. But in 1st life... Drow have high advantage comparing to other races. Even if they are only better as trappers.

[AirbornedChild]

Generally, the last thing I do before I log out with a character is get all the ship buffs so I am ready to hit an LFM when I log back in. The last buff is the training dummy, for which I equip my smiting weapons.


At least a dozen times (probably a lot more than that) I have tried to join a group and gotten tells asking me why I thought I needed smiting weapons to run VoD, or HoX, or whatever.

The clueless leaders would MyDDO me and see that I had smiting weapons and would apparently assume that I carried them all the time and used them for everything.

Generally, you are not losing out on anything when people like that decline you.

LOL
There is a way to know your true ability stats. Look at numbers to the right. They are real. For example, my sorc has belashyrra's scepters for different elements: fire, water. ANd she has some other weapons with +2 to DC. People don't have any right to say that I am using something all the time. As they don't have right to say it about you. MyDDO? People can cheat it buy getting all buffs.

I look at real number to the right of Ability's name. I know about +6(+7) and exceptional bonuses(and slots where they could be).

The thing you said about is like asking me why I wear Abbot items on my bard. They are just cool looking. Madstone boots on sorc(Nastics)? It is teasing for melees who haven't them(I got them on my 20th). In game I swap them to Cannith.

You can try to cheat MyDDO, but you cannot cheat those numbers to the right. Use them to know real modifier of stat.

Smoke bamboo, comrade.

Вот я могу говорить: "Кури бамбук, товарищ". Ведь я русский. Where did you know this idiom?

[Gridwalker]

I got elf rog 20 467 HP unbuffed. In combat it goes up to 627 without double madstone boots buff. Done eVoN5, unlocked north chest too, and its not minmax build. Still not gear up to his teeth and no +4 con tome and no +2 exp con. I know that 450 HP is doable within 1-2 hours of play per day. Unfortunatly lots of bad rogs around give rogs a lots of bad reputation. U need skill and gear to play good rog.

[Quarterling]

Halfling? Do you know any character with doudle SA Enhancement lines? I don't. Haflings do not take all +8 because SinIII have only few free AP.

Um... yes. I myself am a halfling assassin rogue with full sneak attack enhancements. +4 attack and +8 damage per hit makes a huge difference in dps.

If you think I'm "gimping myself" by not spending my AP elsewhere, then you are horribly incorrect. The only boxes I've ever blown were the first few way back in 2008 when my rogue was just made and I was new to DDO.

[jydog100]

Um... yes. I myself am a halfling assassin rogue with full sneak attack enhancements. +4 attack and +8 damage per hit makes a huge difference in dps.

If you think I'm "gimping myself" by not spending my AP elsewhere, then you are horribly incorrect. The only boxes I've ever blown were the first few way back in 2008 when my rogue was just made and I was new to DDO.

dont u know? Its a FACT that non drows lack the trap skills.....AB'c said so. so it must be

In the 16 month period that we had no new content and the game was stuck at 16 cap. alot of players made tons of trivial GS items just for the he%% of it.......+6 dex, wis, int skill items can do a bunch for trap skills

[Gingivitis]

First let me say that my rogue is drow and I've worked really hard to get her the HP she needs. With all my gear I'm at 379, with boat buffs at 399, and with madstone rage at 435 (and I do find it hits fairly often).

Since this is the toon I do all my selling and crafting with, there are times I' run around with just a charisma stat item and a high haggle item so my hit points are under 300 when I do this.

Since I really enjoy doing VoD runs and I still need the XP.... especially from hard runs, I hit the LFM while not in gear. I was accepted but was immediately kicked from the party with the leader only saying "WHOA! those are some low hit points, sorry" and boom I'm kicked. I didn't get a chance to explain or even put my gear back on... though I did send a tell after the kicking (with not response).

Honestly, I'm not hurt or upset, but, I think allowing someone a chance to put their "clothes" back on would have been nicer. And if 399 when I'm ready to start isn't enough, then fine... whateveh.

(OH and by the way the lvl 20 rogue that was in his party shows as having 376 hp and only 75% fort... and the leader (a caster) has 397.) Again... whateveh!

Im pretty new to game but its my understanding that before you click join you should make sure you are ready to join. i would say fault is yours not leads he did right by the raid. Ive been in laid back groups before and the more laid back it is seems liek i have more fun however it also leads to more wipes in my not so many experiances .

wish this server had more leads like him.

[Beer_Dude]

Obviously I can't mention names but I'm certain you can all figure out who I'm talking about. Listening to this guy go on about rogues and bards and every other class as if he is the know all end all authority on DDO. Reminds me of some dude running around on a barbarian tooting his own horn on how great he is. The only difference is that barb with the axe does actually know how to play a barb and is actually right more than he is wrong when he posts unlike our bard/rogue expert here.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Obviously I can't mention names but I'm certain you can all figure out who I'm talking about. Listening to this guy go on about rogues and bards and every other class as if he is the know all end all authority on DDO. Reminds me of some dude running around on a barbarian tooting his own horn on how great he is. The only difference is that barb with the axe does actually know how to play a barb and is actually right more than he is wrong when he posts unlike our bard/rogue expert here.

It's not their fault, they were born that way.

[Arakasia]

I have a WF mechanic friend that has been able to get every trap we've come across so far,,, unfortunately his HP is sadly lacking IMO, but as far as traps go, he has got them all so far..

And my halfling assassin, has only ever failed at the evasion saves in von5...5 1's in a row... wasn't I cranky that day.. but the people I was running with were ok and understood,,,I copied and pasted the combat log and shown them the 1's... man, didn't i get a ribbing for that, that day and a few after.