Kicked with not chance to explain...

[jydog100]

Haste Boost... Never took it. Simply Damage Boost is enough.

Wow, just wow.....I guess I just fail at a human rogue...........

[Eistander]

I'll leave this here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ht=hordo+rogue

And for the record, no haste boost = useless to be a rogue.. might as well be an artificer at that point. I'd rather slam down that extra attack speed for more SA goodness instead of suffering through the not-boosted speed with a kick to the base.. but hey, what do I know? (only been playing rogues in one way, shape or form since launch.. but nothing to see here!)

P.S.: Check that thread if you are absolutely hung up on Drow being the only trap-capable race in the game. You might learn something. Maybe.

[Beer_Dude]

Heh, they lack INT skills because rogue can have +1 more, they lack UMD because Drow have more CHA. Agree? It was all i said about. Base CHA and INT give drow a small benefit in skills. I don't know what you thought about. If you don't understand me, ask - and i'll explain what I said. You saw how hafling rogue explained(very very big post).

Also drow players usually spend points to INT at start to get even more skills(bringing +2 total comparing to halflings). It just makes rogue's life a bit easier.

In my opinion 1st life rogues are much weaker comparing to other 1st lifers. But it is just my opinion. may be rangers too, I'm not sure(I never player ranger).
Harassment reported. I am social disabled, not mental. And you should know that mental part is main part of social disabled people. So I'll report you even twice. Get your warnings.
Haste Boost is seful but less usefull than damage boost.

It's very simple. You stated "Non drow rogues lack rogue skills, you know this fact". No I don't know this fact because they don't. Yhey get less but they by no means do they lack rogue skills. Now you say that's not what you meant. I don't care what you meant this is what you said, and you followed it up by saying it's a fact. You also stated that non Drow rogues tend to blow up traps prior to that.

Then you tell me to ask you what you meant if I don't know. I can't read minds I can only go by what I read and that's what you wrote. It's not up to me to ask you what you meant when you wrote it plain as day. Had you said that they don't get as many skill points you'd be correct but you didn't you said "they lack rogue skills". It's that simple. I'd advise you to bow out gracefully and say you made a mistake and move on. As of now you asked me to quote you and I did. Now you're saying you didn't say what you wrote and I quoted but it's right there in plain sight.

[jkm]

Heh, they lack INT skills because rogue can have +1 more, they lack UMD because Drow have more CHA. Agree? It was all i said about. Base CHA and INT give drow a small benefit in skills. I don't know what you thought about. If you don't understand me, ask - and i'll explain what I said. You saw how hafling rogue explained(very very big post).

I don't think you understand how skills work. You don't get extra healing from a heal scroll with a 41 UMD compared to a 39. And honestly, it is the only skill at end game that slightly matters for a rogue. The rest are so situational that to build for them is just silly.

[AirbornedChild]

I don't think you understand how skills work. You don't get extra healing from a heal scroll with a 41 UMD compared to a 39. And honestly, it is the only skill at end game that slightly matters for a rogue. The rest are so situational that to build for them is just silly.

My bard has 45 umd without any buff, without any exc bonus. Rogue cannot do the same. 39 - you want.

[AirbornedChild]

Wow, just wow.....I guess I just fail at a human rogue...........

What about AP? Do you understand that Action Boost has 30 seconds CD. Compare +25 % add direct weapon damage and +30 % attack speed. I don't know(as I said I never took Haste Boost). Do Haste bonus and Boost bonus stack? Or do they multiply?

Even if you get more damage: what about those 3 wasted AP(you use only Haste Boost)? May be, but it is not my choice.

[AirbornedChild]

I'll leave this here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ht=hordo+rogue

And for the record, no haste boost = useless to be a rogue.. might as well be an artificer at that point. I'd rather slam down that extra attack speed for more SA goodness instead of suffering through the not-boosted speed with a kick to the base.. but hey, what do I know? (only been playing rogues in one way, shape or form since launch.. but nothing to see here!)

P.S.: Check that thread if you are absolutely hung up on Drow being the only trap-capable race in the game. You might learn something. Maybe.

Well, I think that you think that...
Rogue needn't: Jump(forget about jumping, use pots - ok), Swim(it helps in Crucible, but some can do it without, ok; however I was learing with some swim skill), Diplo(most of players think that it is useless, I don't think so; sometimes... it helps), Bluff(do not forget about posteffect of of successful bluff, also it helps to draw boss to party; however, some players "suffer" without, with Bluff you just need to push one key), Balance(we all know - it helps), Tumble(it is just for fun, but it is really fun, optional), Haggle(ok, you decon items, drop it), Hide/Move(ok, if you don't use sneaking, but... I cannot imagine rogue without these skills), UMD(must).

You can see: with 10 INT you have ONE FREE POINT. My choice is Balance(if I had 10 INT, I like to have more). With more INT you have more freedom: Jump(like I said - it really helps).

That post: Do you really think that 1st life rogue will have HoGF, Ventilated? I think in 1st life players should learn traps. Of course, if you made you rogue for dps(like Greentally), it is normal. But that rogue is well geared.

Finally: drow rogue with more INT can really help to learn rogue playing. Then you can chose what you want(my rogue have HoGF, Bracers etc). 1st life is really harder for rogue than for others(harder to master this class).

PS Even 32 points is not enough for nice rogues. Even 34. Just comare with other classes(arcanes, for example).

[AirbornedChild]

I sit at a nice 521 hp unbuffed, elf - yes, elf - completely buffed up I get close to 600. When I lead a group I always take rogues if I need dps, but I dont like to take them unless they have at least 450 hp standing.

Yeah, maybe it is an ******* thing to do, but I see drow rogue and more times than not I pass - it just screams "please carry my soul stone around" and usually that assumption is right ... not always, but usually.

HP is king.

Do you understand that your Elven rogue will get the same HP as Drow? Both races have the same start CON. So you statement is failed.

I'll repeat: "I see drow rogue and more times than not I pass - it just screams "please carry my soul stone around" and usually that assumption is right". I'll repeat: your elven rogue have the same amount of HP(or may be 20 less). Do you think that these 20 hp will help you a lot when you already have 600? The more HP you have - the less importante these 20 hp.

500 unbuffed hp is comfortable for rogue. I often see monks with only 520-540 HP. This way of thinking elven and drow rogues are nearly equal. They have the same enhancements.

And, friend, you play elven rogue. You know that people don't like even elven rogues. So. Why do you play this useless race(comparing to halfling, of course)? Because you like this race as I like drow race. Elven/drow chicks are the best. It is also the reason why I cannot play WF - they are so ugly. Halfling chicks don't seem nice looking(I ilke dwarfen more ). If I could change sex of character... I could chose other race. But I cannot. So elven or drow.

PS we play this game not only to see cool numbers of damage, we play this game to look at our characters.

[AirbornedChild]

Started with 8 didn't had any issue with my UMD scrolls. ((Epic Big Top/Epic Spyglass Tier 3/Six Fingered Gloves/GS tripple char(+6 exc char skills)/+6 char item/Persuasion/Command)) So many items to increase your UMD without hurting CON/STR/DEX.
For all thats good why would you start with Cha more than 8 o.O

Tell all these words to people who made their forst character rogue because they like this class. 1st life, 1st character. I know you'll advice to make any other character. My thought depends not on ly playing rogue, they depends on Rathguul thoights(even he doesn't like me). Also, sentence about 16 CHA was a provocation. Sorry. Like words about taking power critical(I was laughing when I was told about reroll). I don't have those gloves, sadly. Like i don't have litany. Do you? I'm glad for you as you'll glad for my Petitioner/Shroud/Diadem/other items. The last item from Reaver for me was... boots. I was waiting for them too long, really.

Also. not all players have 8+ characters to farm. Not all players have enough stregth to play all 8 characters, really. It is too boring for me. I was trying to get Midnight shard for 6 months(like other were trying to get Brawn spirit for 6-12 months). It is Great Korean Random.

PS If you want somebody to teach you, and teach you all his best knowledge - confront him/her. Thank you for repeating what I have already knew. Thank you for food. Good luck. I think I'll stop posting here now.

All thread of green creations. Funny.

[Dark_Helmet]

I'd say it is the 2nd biggest fail ... #1 is choosing drow ...

Yeah, whatever. Unless you are talking about endgame Epic runs, they watered down the game enough that drow are fine for most classes.

...blah blah blah...
There are just new players which cannot build their characters. But you always look at character's skin!!! It is racism.

...more blah...

I'm too logical. Overlogical. It is my brain - some cells must die after child is born, but mine didn't die, so I had to raise with more logical reasons: buy only what you need, eat only what you really need(ignore restaurants), never spend money for overpriced goods etc.

Remind me who your characters are so that I don't run with you?

I think I found your marbles:

[Blank_Zero]

This thread seems much smaller than before...

[sweez]

That's what she said.

[Schnellcast]

I think your HPs is still a bit low, but it is always fun to let anyone in PUG VoDs! The harder they are the more fun! Plus it is relatively easy to solo it on normal now a days

[Dieterstrife]

I just stoned my Ranger (go ahead and Myddo Sereine and giggle at her, idc) a few hours ago, and when I was running EPOP an elf wizard joined the party. 101hp, 1300sp on a lvl 15 Wizard. When I MyDDO'd them, they had 10 con. Me and my friend in group were sending tells betting on when this person would die.


Yes, they did eventually die. When the sorc pulled the trigger while the wiz was running through the door and got hit by the forcefield. They had the highest kill count and everything, was just totally weird. I've ran with capped rogues with 280hp, and never had a problem with them. I've ran with 800hp fighters and they would be the first ones dead, no questions asked. I've even ran with a toaster sorc who claimed to have the highest hp of any sorc (literally this dude only specs for hp on any of his toons) and he couldn't repair himself fast enough to not die.

I won't judge you on your hp. The toons with the lower hp I'm more likely to bring along only because I like to see what kind of tactics they've made to handle the situation. If they suck, I'll call them out and if they aren't idiots I'll help them out and teach them a few things. It's just a matter of the person playing.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I'd say it is the 2nd biggest fail ... #1 is choosing drow ...

Nothing wrong with a well built drow rogue, it is just unfortunate that there aren't more of them around.

True, tho I did it with 519 ship buffed. Not much more but considering I got Scroll and Wand Mastery 2 (( No fail UMD scrolls on Heal/Recon/TS/Ada/Prismatic)).

Goal for elob for a rogue I think is to have over 500 HP after a death. I made some sacrifices to do that but it's paid off (literally incapped without dying half a dozen times over the 2 or 3 elobs that I've run).

Of course I have 39 standing UMD and some wand and scroll mastery and take along a stack of Prismatic Ray scrolls

[Hordo]

Wow, just wow.....I guess I just fail at a human rogue...........

Badlass, you smoke way too much bamboo...that's your problem, comrade!

[jydog100]

Badlass, you smoke way too much bamboo...that's your problem, comrade!

Haha. I do have a bottle of Stoli in my freezer from back in the 80's. made in U.S.S.R. on the label

[Hordo]

Haha. I do have a bottle of Stoli in my freezer from back in the 80's. made in U.S.S.R. on the label

+1 for the Cold War Collectible!

[jydog100]

My bard has 45 umd without any buff, without any exc bonus. Rogue cannot do the same. 39 - you want.

once again, rogue can do better....any rogue. bard as well. over 60. give up on the cans and cannot please.

[azrael4h]

once again, rogue can do better....any rogue. bard as well. over 60. give up on the cans and cannot please.

While at work waiting on a cycle to finish, I calculated that a Rogue on live can have a 54 UMD buffed with 8 base CHA. I think that's encroaching on no-fail Mass Heals. Let's see since I can look stuff up now...

40 is 8 base, +2 tome, +6 CHA item, for +3 mod, +3 from Cartouche, crafted Good luck +2, 2 skill mastery, Spider mask, +6 GS item, 23 ranks. Very easily obtained, and that's with no buffs, including ship buffs.

Add 2 more for ship buffs (1 CHA, 1 skill), 4 more from GH clicky or scroll, and up to 5 more from skill boost for a temporary 51. Post expansion will see +8 CHA items and +3 insight gear, so +2-3 there (53-54) depending on stat allocation and enhancements available. Another +2 from the +5 gloves over Cartouche, bringing to to 55-56. Maybe another from an Exceptional +1 CHA, so 56-57. Litany might add +1 assuming Human/Helf +1 CHA enhancement, so possible up to 57-58. Burn a feat to get a 60-61 with SF: UMD. +4 tome finishes it out at 61-62, with a possible 63 with some rare combination that I'm too tired to care about. A Drow, with 2 base CHA over anything else, might have, at max, 64 UMD. And that's might; since that 63 theoretical is with Helf + enhancements, since they can pull a dilettante to give them +2 CHA from enhancements, making them equal in that respect to the Drow.

I'll stick with my Helf's. No worse, and their hideousness causes living mobs to make a DC 90 fort save vs retching.

Bard may or may not do better, depending on build. Mine has a slight edge here, but my guildy's CHA-based SS would possibly push above 70 using the same level of gear. Max CHA and everything put into it.