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    Quote Originally Posted by Jitty View Post
    They have gone back on melee nerfs

    Eg.
    Madstone boots nerf
    changing kensi 2 to psionic bonus so it stacks with insightful stats

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


    I have come up with 2 melee nerfs that were reversed after player feedback. You have come up with 1 caster one (and arguably they are still nerfing wail). I challenge you to come up with 2 more
    Assuming you're not trolling
    1/ In closed beta within 3 days of casters seeing spellpower not multiplying with empower and maximise... empower and maximise were changed from 25>75(100for emp heal) and 100>150 to compensate. Now with <insert energy type> stick(rather than potency) they are actually AHEAD in %age spell magnitude than on live.
    It happened again twice more with hard to kill intentional nerf being mitigated within 3 days, and the new mitigation Haunting likewise not standing up 3 days.
    At the moment live is looking like an overall boost to %spellpower, displace turning into a selfish spell, and only wail being changed(not nerfed).

    Pretty sure madstone boots were an oversight rather than a WAI nerf!
    And you can also take back the Kensai debacle, which wasnt an intended nerf it was done out of not considering the impact of the change. Now still unfixed, with one of the best short term melee clickies (titans grip +6 psionic bonus) not stacking with the prestige boost, yet does so for every other class/prestige in the game!
    Stalwart (competence bonus) still is copping a -1 nerf from exceptional +1 turning into competence.
    Every single buff and debuff from spell/enhancement/pastlife/feat/or class feature that relate to either AC or to-hit are now worth far less the further into the game you go, and start less effective than they are on live....
    I've shown math on as much as +9 tohit = 0% change in hit chance.

    the dedicated AC/DPS melee builds spend just as much time grinding out past lives and gear as casters do, and know they are behind even then.
    The combat changes put the casters they were behind in dps power, even closer to them in both AC and to hit!!!
    Yet casters get the feedback, and the rollback on their nerfs.

    Combat changes have still to address issues (as PROMISED btw) like monk having nigh equal Dodge and FAR less PRR than armor wearers, and less AC without HUGE stat investment! (more item slots that they need for dodge and stats over armored toons for LESS benefit)


    @the OP:
    Reason is (imo): majority of forumgoers after reading into how things work in ddo would know that death spells and casters in general are FAR ahead of the pack, the popularity of the caster builds has increased rapidly over the last year.
    As have "Blue bar only" LFMs that convince even clueless players to roll casters just to get into certain raids, and raid difficulties...

    Meaning more forumgoers with investment into casters, than forum goers with investment into melee.
    Melee is more of a flavor build these days than a truly viable one (i dont agree with this and want it changed) thats how I think ppl see it.

    /tinfoil on
    Plus blue bars buy store pots (for DCs) and store SP pots (for unlimited power) Casters = profits
    Last edited by Stillwaters; 06-12-2012 at 06:37 AM.
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    Most of us (players who enjoy melee as much as casting if not more) gave up years ago on asking them not to nerf us.

    When it happens every major update, its hard to keep player retention, especially ones who care to post on the forums anymore.

    Just depresing when I think about how melee used to be much better years ago and more fun to play then today due to the numerous nerfs, while I can think of so very little that affected my sorcerer.

    Casters through the history of the game almost never get nerfed, so there are a ton of them still around, so the threads easily get to the magical "900+" reply zone where the devs decide to give in rather then follow their own vision.

    Another 700 or so replies on my supreme cleave thread and we may yet stop it thoug guys, go reply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jitty View Post
    They have gone back on melee nerfs

    Eg.
    Madstone boots nerf
    changing kensi 2 to psionic bonus so it stacks with insightful stats
    no. Because in the devs eyes, neither of those were intended as nerfs.

    Madstone: They thought it was a buff. Plus part of the nerf still made it live: Shaken at end. Also madstone are even worse now in the beta, as they are now 100% unuseable by barbarians.

    Kensai: Was more a of byproduct of the devs worrying about "power creep" then anything intentional in the first place.

    They never truely go back on melee nerfs. They comprimise, but not a full 180 like they did on the epic hard/elite planed improvements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade View Post
    Casters through the history of the game almost never get nerfed, so there are a ton of them still around, so the threads easily get to the magical "900+" reply zone where the devs decide to give in rather then follow their own vision.

    Another 700 or so replies on my supreme cleave thread and we may yet stop it thoug guys, go reply!
    Well, the changes with Hard to Kill and Haunting affected all casters, some melees and the few insta-kill weapons available, the change to Supreme Cleave only affected a single class.

    It was bound to have less impact to the players.
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    Gary Gygax decreed the following:
    "Casters shall be overpowered, Melee shall suffer thier inferiority. Oh, and while your at it, don't give those stoopid Rangers ANY love!"

    And so it came to pass....

    (/sarcasm OFF)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawai View Post
    Gary Gygax decreed the following:
    "Casters shall be overpowered, Melee shall suffer thier inferiority. Oh, and while your at it, don't give those stoopid Rangers ANY love!"

    And so it came to pass....

    (/sarcasm OFF)
    LOL sorry ran out of +1, from someone with 12 rangers on Khyber

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