epic levels

[Violith]

So, what exactly would be the incentive to level up to 25?

current lam (AFAIK)
21: a feat, and +1 to skills
22: +1 to skills
23: +1 to skills
24: ability point, a feat, +1 to skills
25: +1 to skills.

seems rather bare, so apart from the ability point and 2 feats, what exactly would be the reason to level up any further? before, with the way the skills were set up, it would give everyone 2+int to add to any skill they wanted, with not difference between crossclass and class skills. but with only a +1 skill increase there isnt much incentive to actually level.

havent heard about the levels increasing hp, sp, spell slots, saving throws. and they dont account for class abilities dc increases, or caster level increase. I know the destinies are supposed to be the form of epic advancement, but then what exactly would be a reason to increases your level past 21 (easy to get extra feat), most probably wouldnt bother increasing it more (due to xp penalty in quests, and the fact that there isnt really much more leveling offers cept for another feat and an ability point at 24 (most people have built so that their abilities are even at 20 (thus 1 more point wouldnt be worth it for gaining 4 extra levels) and taking one of the 'great ability' feats just to make it even against would seem like a waste.

in pnp, every class recieved atleast 1 bonus feat in addition to what the basic epic chart allowed at varying levels (some at 23, others at 24), so giving everyone a bonus feat wouldnt be that bad, and with the dc's in epic content increasing we should be increasing out saves

suggested
atleast a d8 hd, if not higher (things in epics hit harder to a d10 or a d12 wouldnt be bad either XD, or d20, we do love us some hitpoints)
21: a feat, and +1 to skills, +1 saves
22: +1 to skills, +1 saves
23: bonus feat, +1 to skills, +1 saves
24: ability point, a feat, +1 to skills, +1 saves
25: +1 to skills, +1 saves

guess that still doesnt add much incentive to level up to 25 though, but I guess a feat at every level would be abit much, though it'd probably be well received by the playerbase, us all being feat starved and all no matter what the class XD.

[BruceTheHoon]

Each epic level grants 10 HP and ??SP.
This used to be in one of the previous release notes, but I can't find it now.
It beats me, why this basic information (+list of epic feats) isn't in the release notes of the open beta.

[Tid12]

6d6 from the 2 ISA, +2 to any stat, OC for a melee who can afford it, +50 HP from epic toughness.

+1 UMD for everyone, +50 HP from the levels.

Doesn't seem bare to me imho. However, +1 saves would be nice also. Or +1 at lv21, 23,25.

[Matuse]

So, what exactly would be the incentive to level up to 25?

Pretty difficult to equip minimum level 24 items when you are level 20.

[Arlathen]

Hmm, I remember the table Eladrin posted.

Over the 5 levels, what happened to the +3 BAB Increase? I thought saves were supposed to be increased by +2/+2/+2 as I recall.

Considering the changes to combat, I rather thought the BAB increase was rather important for melees.

[Krelar]

Hmm, I remember the table Eladrin posted.

Over the 5 levels, what happened to the +3 BAB Increase? I thought saves were supposed to be increased by +2/+2/+2 as I recall.

Considering the changes to combat, I rather thought the BAB increase was rather important for melees.

You mean this post? Keep in mind that this was made quite awhile ago (before Beta) so things may have changed. (I don't recall any posts about changes to these parts though just skills)

Pardon the crappy formatting:

At each epic level you gain the following bonuses:

LeveL       HP        Saves       BAB          Feats      Ability Increases
21         +10          -          +1          Feat	
22         +10         +1          -		
23         +10          -          +1		
24         +10         +1          -           Feat       Ability Increase
25         +10          -          +1

Characters that are level 21 or higher may select Epic or Heroic feats as their level 21 and 24 feat selections.

[Arlathen]

You mean this post? ....

Spot on, that's the one.