Proposal: Nerf warforged instead of Death Magic

[eris2323]

You all complain that Pale Masters are overpowered.

I however, think that these silly robot mages with the ability to heal themselves 15 different ways is the main, root problem.

A robot should not be the best class for an arcane. An arcane should never have healing ability, unless they sacrifice a lot and specialize for it (via multiclassing, or becoming an undead).

Turbine broke the game way back then, I propose a fix.

Remove all repair spells from arcane spell books.

You can give them to clerics, how about that. the healers.

And then forget about your silly 'Hard to Kill' mechanic. The problem will solve itself.

[arminius]

Posts like this, and you've disabled reputation?

Surprising.

[Airgeadlam]

You all complain that Pale Masters are overpowered.

I however, think that these silly robot mages with the ability to heal themselves 15 different ways is the main, root problem.

A robot should not be the best class for an arcane. An arcane should never have healing ability, unless they sacrifice a lot and specialize for it (via multiclassing, or becoming an undead).

Turbine broke the game way back then, I propose a fix.

Remove all repair spells from arcane spell books.

You can give them to clerics, how about that. the healers.

And then forget about your silly 'Hard to Kill' mechanic. The problem will solve itself.

"Hard to Kill" deals with instakill spells. No matter if WF or human, spells are the same.

[Gkar]

Remove all repair spells from arcane spell books.

You can give them to clerics, how about that. the healers.

Hi. I know you are probably new to D&D, but that's not how it works.

First off they are not "robots" they are "constructs".

Contructs are built and animated by arcanes. In the case of Eberron, the WF are created mainly by Artificers using acane skills/spells and ancient equipment.

Arcanes ARE the constructors and deconstructors of constructs. It's not a divine matter. Divines heal the natural, Arcanes deal with the artificial.

Turbine did nothing wrong, they were following the rules.

Once again, welcome to D&D!

[eris2323]

Hi. I know you are probably new to D&D, but that's not how it works.

First off they are not "robots" they are "constructs".

Contructs are built and animated by arcanes. In the case of Eberron, the WF are created mainly by Artificers using acane skills/spells and ancient equipment.

Arcanes ARE the constructors and deconstructors of constructs. It's not a divine matter. Divines heal the natural, Arcanes deal with the artificial.

Turbine did nothing wrong, they were following the rules.

Once again, welcome to D&D!

No, I'm not new to D&D.

I do hate the Eberron setting. It breaks normal D&D.

ANd it led to arcanes that can heal themselves.

People keep saying wizards are overpowered? I think the root cause is robots.

People see a robot using reconstruct, quicken, laying down the beats, and they cry 'no fair'

[eris2323]

Now THIS post is neg rep worthy.

Why is that? Because I refuse to take part in a forum system where a few forum people with friends can silence an opinion they don't like, solely by giving out neg rep.

I do not agree with this sytem, it leads to forum trolling.

So I disabled rep ages ago.

You're not qualified to judge me. Turbine employees however, are

They can remove any posts THEY see fit. Not what the 'in-click' sees fit.

[Gkar]

No, I'm not new to D&D.

I do hate the Eberron setting. It breaks normal D&D.

ANd it led to arcanes that can heal themselves.

People keep saying wizards are overpowered? I think the root cause is robots.

People see a robot using reconstruct, quicken, laying down the beats, and they cry 'no fair'

I hate to tell you, but CONSTRUCTS, not robots, including WF, are now in all D&D campaign settings.

And most of this game IS set in Eberron BTW.

Hey I know, by your logic "non construct clerics are overpowered because they can self heal!"

As for me not being fit to judge you, that's nonsense. The rep system is there because we CAN judge you. We only need to read your snarkiness to gather our opinion.

As for Turbine, they only care if you break the rules enough to warrent more serious discipline.

[Lilliana]

Posts like this, and you've disabled reputation?

Surprising.

The reputation is not disabled, you just can't see it. You can positive and negative rep a 'grey' poster still and they still receive rep.
So I guess a 'grey' poster can still get so much negative reputation, so they come into administration.

[Ebonta]

I do not agree with this sytem, it leads to forum trolling.

The irony.

[eris2323]

I hate to tell you, but CONSTRUCTS, not robots, including WF, are now in all D&D campaign settings.

And most of this game IS set in Eberron BTW.

Hey I know, by your logic "non construct clerics are overpowered because they can self heal!"

As for me not being fit to judge you, that's nonsense. The rep system is there because we CAN judge you. We only need to read your snarkiness to gather our opinion.

As for Turbine, they only care if you break the rules enough to warrent more serious discipline.

Well, I believe that warforged arcane are severely overpowered, and they should be totally nerfed.

Remove all repair spells from them. And then hold off on hard-to-kill. I believe the problem will solve itself, as all the overpowered robot mages switch to other classes, people will not see so many 'godly' arcanes.

[SableShadow]

The irony.

... is completely lost on the OP.

[Jay203]

Well, I believe that warforged arcane are severely overpowered, and they should be totally nerfed.

Remove all repair spells from them. And then hold off on hard-to-kill. I believe the problem will solve itself, as all the overpowered robot mages switch to other classes, people will not see so many 'godly' arcanes.

they're severely overpowered how?
fleshie casters can already self-scroll heals with no problem whatsoever
if anything, wf needs more love as everything in game right now is in favor of fleshies

[eris2323]

they're severely overpowered how?
fleshie casters can already self-scroll heals with no problem whatsoever
if anything, wf needs more love as everything in game right now is in favor of fleshies

Fleshies have to develop the UMD skill, and scroll healing is slow. It's doable, yes. But you're giving something up to do this. Just as you are giving some stuff up to become a pale master.

A robot with reconstruct on qiucken is just insane. Instant-almost-full heals, no matter what, no matter where you are. THEY are the ones trivializing content.

A robot with repair light wounds has no need of anyone in any low level content. That's the very definition of over powered.

[eris2323]

Oh, here, let me help.

I believe turbine is responding to the calls of 'nerf casters' that a small percentage of people in contact with multiple lived-wizards are complaining that they are too powerful. I think the people complaining were actually complaining about instant-death spells that ALL arcanes have access to.

I believe that there is a mistake. Robots are the overpowered feature.

I believe a warforged palemaster is even more over powered.

But what they've done is try to fix the 'casters are too powerful' by immediately making all pale masters totally useless in high level content.

So, I have an alternative. Let's remove warforged self-healing arcanes from the game for 6 months, and put off hard to kill for that long. Let's see if there are still cries that casters are over powered in the long run - and from people OTHER than the 5-6 people with thousands of posts, who have, obviously, great skill - but who want more challenge.

That's great. More Challenge.

Just don't destroy my class to do it.

[Jay203]

Fleshies have to develop the UMD skill, and scroll healing is slow. It's doable, yes. But you're giving something up to do this. Just as you are giving some stuff up to become a pale master.

A robot with reconstruct on qiucken is just insane. Instant-almost-full heals, no matter what, no matter where you are. THEY are the ones trivializing content.

A robot with repair light wounds has no need of anyone in any low level content. That's the very definition of over powered.

a wf in pale master forms cannot self heal
if one gets out of the form just to repair up, it's a waste of sp going in and out of the forms
with so much stacking bonuses one can obtain atm, getting a no fail UMD isn't exactly hard anymore

none of your arguments hold any ground at all, that's why people claim you are baiting and trolling

[krackythehoodedone]

Well i'll say a quick something b4 this thread comes to a premature but predictable end.

To the OP. I never once complained about Casters being overpowered. I knew you were and hoped you all had fun whilst it lasted

I have seen this game change over a fair few years and differing classes being in a position of ascendency.

The last year it has been the time of the ''caster''. Able to instakill any mob. Do so much DPS as to make a Barb look silly. I see LFM's for top end content asking for ''Blu Bars Only. Ive completed EDA and EADQ1 on my main w/o a single kill.

Are you seriously trying to tell me this wasnt coming, or it has come as a surprise ?. I group with most of the best casters on our server and they were all expecting some kind on Nerfment

I dont really have a problem with WF. They have their good points and not so good points.

[eris2323]

A warforged does not HAVE to be in pm form 24/7.

They have the choice to stay living, with their multiple immunities, and use quickened reconstruct.

A pale master has to give up on the other prestiges to be able to do that.

A robot first level caster gets the spell right away.

I do not think this is fair, and I think it is overpowered.

[Krelar]

That's great. More Challenge.

Just don't destroy my class to do it.

But destroying others peoples toons is ok?

[loki_3369]

Yes. I agree completely. We should remove all self-targetable negative energy spells and give them to the healers also.

[eris2323]

But destroying others peoples toons is ok?

It seems to be needed, almost everyone seems to agree that casters are too powerful.

Wail - reconstuct-wail-finger-reconstruct. we get it. you're a god.

So, why not nerf that instead of pale masters?