Compensation for this expansion

[eris2323]

Has Turbine ever stated we will be getting at least lesser hearts as of this update?

I do not think that will be sufficient; I would like to request full true hearts, as well as a lesser heart, for each character on each server.

Well. Actually, I'd like my money back, so I can purchase a different game. I have no faith they'll NOT screw this up and ruin the game entirely.

But, we know I won't get that.

Any links to devs stating we'd be getting compensation for this expansion?

[Drwaz99]

There have been a few hints, but nothing concrete. I believe it's going to be a respect of some sort or another. But I doubt they want to ruin store sales, so we won't know until the Official Release notes are up on release date.*crosses fingers*

[PNellesen]

Lesser Hearts should be the minimum, one for every character, and unbound so you can sell or trade them if you want to (I'd be ok with it being every character over some minimum level, such as 10 or 12 or something). Sure, it might impact store sales, but given the impacts to our characters I think it balances out.

[eris2323]

Yeah. I suspect the same.

But I do not see how THEIR nerfs to core class abilities should force ME to spend money on a heart to get out of a class they want to nerf.

If they do not like the class; delete it, and let us have hearts.

Also crossing fingers - no hope left though; these recent announcements have taken my will to play away from me. I have no urge to log in anymore, it's just too sad.

[PNellesen]

Also crossing fingers - no hope left though; these recent announcements have taken my will to play away from me. I have no urge to log in anymore, it's just too sad.

I know exactly what you mean - I've been spending as much time on Lamma as I can to try and get used to the changes, and it's helping some, but it just seems like they've tried to do too much at once this time without thinking through some of the consequences.

[LeoLionxxx]

oh my god guys, why is evrybody saying 'its a diffrent game'.

Lets see what's changed:
Reworking AC; Something that players have been asking for for years.

Spell power; adding implement bonus which has a nice feel to it, plus reworking those enhancments, which is now clearer to see exactly how they work (nurf to eardweller does not matter since it wasn't stacking with other stuff before)

Epic destenies; A nurf for F2P players but if they focus they could raise 995TP for it, plus that lv cap increase everybody has been asking for.

Haunting; an intriging concept that should be quite intresting (and it is better than hard to kill).

Druid: Most requested class (still needs some bug fixes but it looks good).

I'm probobly forgetting stuff, but that's all I can think of for now.

The Heart of Wood concept is a bit intresting. If a petition was put up it might get noticed (but not on a rant thread like this).

So enjoy your DDO, enjoy what you've been asking for, and enjoy the experience of being swallowed by a purple worm (I know I look forward to that).

[eris2323]

It is a different game, because for the first time, the devs want to punish classes for using core class abilities, based on 'feedback' (read: whining) from melees in the game with kill-count-envy.

I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt for all the changes, until that madness.

Why should a class be nerfed simply because some people cry and have kill-count-envy?

I am not even sure this started as a rant. I want a simple answer. Am I going to have to spend my own money, after spending 80 dollars on this 'expansion' that will break my favorite characters and force tr into a more effective class.

I want to know we're not going to be left out in the cold, AND expected to pay MORE for it.

I bought the expansion in good faith.

I am regretting my purchase now, as I'm sure MANY people are.

[AZgreentea]

Why would you want to respec now when there is a fundamental change to PRE's and enhancements set to arrive in august? The changes in U14 are minor compared to what we will see then. The new PREs will turn this into a completely different game. An almost finished game from a character creation viewpoint.

[eris2323]

Why would you want to respec now when there is a fundamental change to PRE's and enhancements set to arrive in august? The changes in U14 are minor compared to what we will see then. The new PREs will turn this into a completely different game. An almost finished game from a character creation viewpoint.

I want to change classes because if they have this surprise nerf in store, I have no faith they will ever 'repair' these nerfs.

They're pandering to a small sub-set of forum people who are calling for nerfs.

I do not want to wait ANOTHER 2 months, or however long, for them to fix my broken character, MAYBE, with this 'enhancement pass' which we know nothing about.

I have no faith they will do so. They listen to whiners on the forums now, what would make them stop?

[eris2323]

Or, as a suggestion, they can refund us all the 80 dollars for the expansion, and charge us the 80 dollars again when the enhancement pass is done.

If we still wish to pay for it.

Since the expansion OBVIOUSLY isn't ready yet, and we're what.... 16 days from launch?

[Karavek]

Eris while I feel your concern, the other is right. We are not seeing just one, but 2 major changes to how we build our characters in the near future.

However Perhaps we do need a free respec now, and another a few months down the road, just for a chance to get our bearings with the new stuff. After all trying to get through the new epic content with a character broken by their update and no fault of our own could prove head bashing agaisnt the wall frustratingly is more fun then playing new high lvl content with high lvl characters that dont work the way you made them.

[PNellesen]

Since the expansion OBVIOUSLY isn't ready yet, and we're what.... 16 days from launch?

I will be very surprised if they make that date - they'd be better off putting a freeze on any more changes now, fixing all the myriad things that are currently broken (meaning those things in the "Known Issues"), and shooting for sometime in July.

(Oh, and have whoever's in charge of development go read the book "The Mythical Man-Month" if they haven't already. It applies to game coding as well as Enterprise software )

[FrozenNova]

My main character, my 18/2 palmonk tank, has been rendered useless on every single level. It would be nice if we got something in return, but really, what can they give us? +x lesser hearts arn't necessarily going to solve anything, unless they're +20's.

[eris2323]

My main character, my 18/2 palmonk tank, has been rendered useless on every single level. It would be nice if we got something in return, but really, what can they give us? +x lesser hearts arn't necessarily going to solve anything, unless they're +20's.

That is why I'd like to see full, true hearts of wood.

Ideally, they'll also allow us to use another stone of exp on anyone using those true hearts.

I think we'd all like to see one lesser heart of wood (hacked to +20 WOULD be nice), one true heart, and one stone of experience, in every characters inventory come expansion day.

If you're going to push this broken expansion on us that is NOT ready - I want to change my class out of the one you guys seem to currently hate.

And I should not have to spend another penny, after the 80 dollars on the collectors edition I already spent.

It would go very far towards rebuilding player trust - as it is now, I can't see me giving turbine money EVER again. They're obviously not using it wisely.

[Stillwaters]

One of the devs said that we would be getting free toon respec's.

When questioned what THAT meeting with the board was like he came back and said

it wasnt that hard

I would hope its a lesser heart i can save until after the enhancement pass in august,
rather than just a mandatory remake your char on XXX boat upon entry.

As for ppl saying the game hasn't changed, MANY feats have! Core stat boosts from classes like kensai have...
Armors have changed allowing MUCH more Dex investment.
low splash monk builds have been broken so that its more efficient to upgrade to light armors
Some of these changes require a toon to change stats to remain viable.

[eris2323]

One of the devs said that we would be getting free toon respec's.

When questioned what THAT meeting with the board was like he came back and said

it wasnt that hard

I would hope its a lesser heart i can save until after the enhancement pass in august,
rather than just a mandatory remake your char on XXX boat upon entry.

As for ppl saying the game hasn't changed, MANY feats have! Core stat boosts from classes like kensai have...
Armors have changed allowing MUCH more Dex investment.
low splash monk builds have been broken so that its more efficient to upgrade to light armors
Some of these changes require a toon to change stats to remain viable.

Really... I hadn't seen that...

That'd be good news.

Gonna be an awful lot of wizards turning into sorcs soon; would be best if we didn't have to pay for it.

[Ryiah]

It would go very far towards rebuilding player trust - as it is now, I can't see me giving turbine money EVER again. They're obviously not using it wisely.

Really? Because as it stands now I'm seeing old players returning to the game because of these changes. So what if it breaks the occasional weird build. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last. So why don't you just quit now? And while we're on this topic, can I have your stuff?

[danotmano1998]

IF the turbine folk decide they want to follow through on giving us yet more free stuff, that would be most appreciated.

Keep in mind, though, that posts and discussions filled with complaints or "you owe me" attitudes will most likely be skipped reading, and probably if anything will HURT our cause.

I am struggling to come to terms with this update as well, and there are things about it that almost make me want to tear my hair out and scream, but I won't. If you step back and put things into proper perspective it helps. This is a game, we're playing in Turbines sand box. They are here to put out a great game. I have NO DOUBT that they are working very very hard to attempt to put out a great product. There will be bugs. There will be changes people won't like. Some people will rage quit. New people will come. It's the circle of life!


I love playing DDO, and a handful of changes isn't going to make that any less true if I approach this with an open mind, a calm disposition, and a better attitude. What do I care if my spells do 15% less damage than they did on live, or that my death spells have a wacky cooldown? I get to hang out with my buds, save 2 worlds, fight with gods, slay dragons, and in general play a hero. Good stuff, no?

[Uska]

I want to change classes because if they have this surprise nerf in store, I have no faith they will ever 'repair' these nerfs.

They're pandering to a small sub-set of forum people who are calling for nerfs.

I do not want to wait ANOTHER 2 months, or however long, for them to fix my broken character, MAYBE, with this 'enhancement pass' which we know nothing about.

I have no faith they will do so. They listen to whiners on the forums now, what would make them stop?

A lesser heart won't let you change classes you need a +heart and if you want to totally change classes you will likely need multiple +5's and then 3-4 weeks and I don't see them giving us that though it might be some what fair but I do think this funny you crying about this but screaming elsewhere to nerf warforged I guess it's all fair until its about something youlike

[donblas]

If you're going to push this broken expansion on us that is NOT ready - I want to change my class out of the one you guys seem to currently hate.
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What is this class of which you speak?

From the context of it seems "you guys" must be the devs?

So you must have one of the classes that the devs have made very weak, like rangers or monk splash toons?

And I understand why you'd want to change from ranger, etc, to one of the caster classes because the devs love them so much they've made them extremely powerful. I feel your pain - i have several of the above type of toon.