DQ2 Epic post MotU - bizarre stats on Lailat and other changes

[sirgog]

Went in to this raid to check out the impact of the three different epic settings in a scaling-free environment. As the pre-U14 Epic raid with the loot that will have the most lasting impact, it promises to still be run a bit into the future.

On Live, Epic Lailat (or even non-Epic) is absolutely a melee monster - only quite durable characters can stand toe-to-toe with her, and her spells are mostly a joke (except Telekinesis and Cometfall, but even they aren't nearly the threat her melee attacks are). But on Epic Normal, she feels like a caster mob, as do her Efreeti. She still throws 300 damage Cometfalls and dangerous Burning Bloods, yet her melee attacks tickle rather than really hurting. Her Efreeti throw 200+ damage DBFs.

I was soloing and there was a lot of lag so I didn't get her down, but the raid felt comparable in overall difficulty to Heroic Elite. Lailat hits for a lot less damage in melee (even compared to Heroic Elite) but she is much more durable, and her spells are basically at full power. And the trash also have had their melee attacks seriously toned down but still have full-strength spells.

I then went back in to look at Epic Elite, and it lives up to its name. I didn't get past the second lot of efreeti solo - the Efreeti were CR45 monsters that hit for ~145 through 25 PRR, and the Mephits were CR 48 with huge hitpoints (and their fire breath hurt even with a fire absorb item on). The Magic Missiles the Efreeti throw hit for ~190 total (5 packets of ~38 damage). Of course in reality you'd have a full raid for this and so you'd cut through them fine, but I didn't get to see Lailat on this setting.

Finally stepped back on Epic Hard, and got back to Lailat. She basically feels the same as live, except that she hits for a lot less in melee. Her CR is also massively lower - 33 on Epic Hard compared to 44 on Live, which makes me think her To-Hit will be low enough to AC tank her easily. My FvS had no issue surviving toe-to-toe. What killed me was the combination of her attacks and the efreeti, who throw a fair number of DBFs that really hurt.

Final change of note: Getting Telekinesised over the side is no longer game over for your character in the raid. The Heroic-only portal back up now exists on Epic Normal and Epic Hard as well (I could not check Epic Elite).

[LeLoric]

Who were you running on in there? Is the lower dmg due to prr reduction or is she actually hitting for less regardless and prr can further reduce it?

[sirgog]

Who were you running on in there? Is the lower dmg due to prr reduction or is she actually hitting for less regardless and prr can further reduce it?

I had 25 PRR when Divine Power was active and less (~18) when it fell off, so not much physical resistance. She was hitting like a wet noodle. (I was on my FvS)

[LeLoric]

I had 25 PRR when Divine Power was active and less (~18) when it fell off, so not much physical resistance. She was hitting like a wet noodle. (I was on my FvS)

Shouldnt be as it was a raid but any possibility it was scaling on hard/norm?

[sirgog]

Shouldnt be as it was a raid but any possibility it was scaling on hard/norm?

It wasn't, or at least the spell damage certainly wasn't and spell damage usually scales too.

[MRMechMan]

Thanks for the info.

In your opinion, if you can solo EDQ2 now on live without TOO much difficulty, will epic-elite at least be the the realm of possible to solo?

The only issue right now is the time spent clearing the first hallway and then the telekineses-thrilled to hear the portals have been added as it makes soloing it a pain on live atm.

[Shade]

It wasn't, or at least the spell damage certainly wasn't and spell damage usually scales too.

Easiest way to verify scaling is to use a twisted talisman on yourself. Its damage scales.

Its also been increased to do um ~100 base damage vs the old 38, so keep that in mind.

mm I'm excited to test out Epic Elite raids tho. I'm gona post a sign up in the main forums for some runs in a hour from now if u wanna come.