Wow! There is not a single change in this update that I like, and here's why:

[Postumus]

So DOOM!!M!M!!!!111? Looks like you should go ahead and uninstall. Perhaps some other game will entertain you.

You really disagree with every point he had? You think his post is so devoid of anything worth discussing that you're just going to dismiss it with a cheesey post?

OP ignore this dude. You've got some very valid points.

[Postumus]

I'm true neutral on U14 for the moment, so I will neither support nor argue with the OP on changes coming.

What I find inappropriate is everyone saying "then uninstall".

Agreed. I wish the 'if you don't like play normal' or 'if you don't like uninstall' yahoos would take their own advice.

If you think it's OP, don't do it. Leave everyone else out of your self-control issues.

[Faent]

The one thing I don't get with your post, or many others. Is your acting as if something is being taken away from your current live game by them ADDING new difficulties modes.

But they aren't adding new difficulty modes. They are renaming Elite as "Epic Normal". So Epic Normal isn't a new added difficulty mode. It's a renamed difficulty mode.

Ok, that's not fair. They're adding new difficulty modes. Epic Hard/Elite, perhaps. And the way they're making these new difficulty modes more difficult is by reimposing their moronic blanket immunities. This is absurd. Surely they can do a better job of making Epic Hard/Elite more difficult than by imposing moronic blanket immunities.

And by the way, folks wanted to play NEW difficulty modes without having their abilities nerfed. Epic Normal is not a NEW difficulty mode. It's the old Elite. So all the new difficulty modes are currently more difficult only because Turbine has imposed idiotic blanket immunities.

[auntjobiska]

This is the only computer game I have ever played and will ever play. When it ceases to be fun I'll go back to the productive things I used to do before this took over my free time. If that time comes sooner rather than later then I will be sad because I will be out the cost of the expansion. If it comes later rather than sooner then I won't feel that way as I will have got some play value for my money.

Sadly I am easily influenced by these forums and feel that the former is more likely than the latter, which also makes me sad.

AJ

[Tid12]

But they aren't adding new difficulty modes. They are renaming Elite as "Epic Normal". So Epic Normal isn't a new added difficulty mode. It's a renamed difficulty mode.

Epic normal isn't elite. Have you tested it? Epic normal is SLIGHTLY easier than epics on live now.

And they are adding new modes. Epic hard and elite aren't even finished so I expect them to be kinda harder than epics now.

[Faent]

Epic casual and Epic normal are coming out. You one person, with one opinion. You don't need 3 new modes for yourself. Be happy with two.

Awesome. So we can still run the current Elite difficulty level with our instakills. It'll be called "Epic Normal", and so it'll be epic! Weee, look at me running epic now!

It astonishes me how easy it is for Turbine to pull the wool over people's eyes by renaming stuff.

[Faent]

Epic normal isn't elite. Have you tested it? Epic normal is SLIGHTLY easier than epics on live now.

First, most epics on live are actually easier than most Amrath Elites. Second, there is a DEV on record stating that the current content development team thinks (and mistakenly, in his view) that the current Elite difficulty (presumably he has in mind endgame Elite quests/raids) should be the new base Epic difficulty.

[Zachski]

There is a staggeringly large difference between saying "should be" and "is".

[Faent]

There is a staggeringly large difference between saying "should be" and "is".

Well, the content developers develop content in the way they think it should be developed. Maybe you missed that obvious fact.

[Drekisen]

Whenever Turbine is swinging the nerfbat with a vengeance they are also making a ton of other changes.

What I always seem to see are people focusing on the changes they don't like...claiming it has destroyed their build.....and not adapting to the changes and realizing with a shift here and a wiggle there they are actually probably MORE powerful than they were before the change.

I have been playing 5+ years...I can honestly say Turbine has done nothing but made this game easier and more enjoyable as time has gone on....they haven't ruined any of my builds yet and even gave me alternatives to fix ones I myself botched.

[Faent]

I have been playing 5+ years...I can honestly say Turbine has done nothing but made this game easier and more enjoyable as time has gone on....they haven't ruined any of my builds yet and even gave me alternatives to fix ones I myself botched.

They aren't ruining any of the mediocre builds or toons in mediocre gear. They're giving them massive boosts. They're ruining the toons many folks have worked long and hard to build, given the current old (and now scrapped) ruleset and gearlist.

If you weren't ever a member of the group that worked long and hard to build toons they liked given the current ruleset and gearlist, it's understandable that you aren't just not upset, but pleased. The folks who have put in this work, however, aren't pleased to have to pay Turbine money to fix the toons Turbine has botched. And I doubt most of them will do it.

[Buggss]

For any devs reading (wishful thinking I know) please take the following into account regarding the new expansion:

-We LIKE 3.5 dnd very very much, along with the community which for the most part is much more mature than W*W

-We are here playing DDO because we do NOT like W*W, please don't make it more like W*W, if that happened we'd just up and leave to go TO W*W as it's a larger game with a lot more content.

Just don't go there, leave things with 3.5 dnd, which is what we had in the first place.

[Tid12]

For any devs reading (wishful thinking I know) please take the following into acount regarding the new expansion:

-We LIKE 3.5 dnd very very much, along with the community which for the most part is much more mature than W*W

-We are here playing DDO because we do NOT like W*W, please don't make it more like W*W, if that happened we'd just up and leave to go TO W*W as it's a larger game with a lot more content.

Just don't go there, leave things with 3.5 dnd, which is what we had in the first place.

Every patch the same things. *yawns*

Go. Noone is stopping you. Please don't make other rage-quit threads thou, we are sick of them.

[Buggss]

Every patch the same things. *yawns*

Go. Noone is stopping you. Please don't make other rage-quit threads thou, we are sick of them.

Didn't make a rage-quit post. It was a request to those with control over the game. Stop defending those who don't need it.

[Tid12]

Didn't make a rage-quit post. It was a request to those with control over the game. Stop defending those who don't need it.

I decide who needs to be defended not you, thanks.

And in your post you just said that if this says, you are leaving because it's a larger game with more content. Go figure.

[Faent]

Every patch the same things. *yawns*

Go. Noone is stopping you. Please don't make other rage-quit threads thou, we are sick of them.

::yawns::

I guess yawning really is contagious.

[Buggss]

I decide who needs to be defended not you, thanks.

And in your post you just said that if this says, you are leaving because it's a larger game with more content. Go figure.

No "I"s in my post apart from "Wishful thinking I know".

You're doing well in the attempt to get the thread closed though.

[Tid12]

No "I"s in my post apart from "Wishful thinking I know".

You're doing well in the attempt to get the thread closed though.

Doesn't WE include "I"? Also, why do you speak for US when you're actually speaking only for yourself?

Thread closed? Oh yeah, thats why I'm here, to have all the thread closed and reign supreme with my melees, mwhaha.


Faent: it really is, isn't it?

[Miow]

The fact is there are very good changes coming as well as some changes that aren't very thrilling. Turbine isn't completely run by morons and monkeys if things don't go well they will adjust like they always did. Why can't people just wait and see, if you like the game patience is worth it.

[Tid12]

The fact is there are very good changes coming as well as some changes that aren't very thrilling. Turbine isn't completely run by morons and monkeys if things don't go well they will adjust like they always did. Why can't people just wait and see, if you like the game patience is worth it.

Oh god, I'd give you so many +1's if I could.