ToD Ring STR Bonuses do NOT stack with SD Stance or Kensai STR Surge

[Keybreaker]

A lot of people seem to be missing the point of this thread.

The +1 bonuses on ToD Rings were changed to COMPETENCE, and the +2 bonus to INSIGHT. Two different types of bonuses instead of two untyped "exceptional" bonuses.

Since the Stalwart Defender stance gives COMPETENCE bonus to Strength and Constitution, SD fighters will no longer enjoy the +1 bonus STR or CON from ToD rings.

DoS don't have this problem since their stance bonus is typed "sacred" and Kensai don't have this problem because Strength Surge will be changed to "psionic."

Please adjust the bonus types to either the +1 on ToD rings or the type bonus of SD stance. It doesn't seem like the nerf to SD was intentional... or was it? Clarification would be nice too.

[xxHazexx]

A lot of people seem to be missing the point of this thread.

The +1 bonuses on ToD Rings were changed to COMPETENCE, and the +2 bonus to INSIGHT. Two different types of bonuses instead of two untyped "exceptional" bonuses.

Since the Stalwart Defender stance gives COMPETENCE bonus to Strength and Constitution, SD fighters will no longer enjoy the +1 bonus STR or CON from ToD rings.

DoS don't have this problem since their stance bonus is typed "sacred" and Kensai don't have this problem because Strength Surge will be changed to "psionic."

Please adjust the bonus types to either the +1 on ToD rings or the type bonus of SD stance. It doesn't seem like the nerf to SD was intentional... or was it? Clarification would be nice too.

The psionic bonus will be a nice change to kensai but what exactly is the purpose of nerfing exceptional stat bonuses? did i miss something? serious inquiry.

[Stillwaters]

The psionic bonus will be a nice change to kensai but what exactly is the purpose of nerfing exceptional stat bonuses? did i miss something? serious inquiry.

F_o_S wanted to add another +1 exceptional bonus (for total +4) to even out the new +8enhancement bonus on items.

As "Exceptional" bonuses stack like dodge bonuses this was impossible.
Adding a +3 exceptional would raise us from +3 total boost to +6.

He used competence for +1 and insight for the +2/3 and got the total boost +4 he wanted.
(making t2 TOD rings, and a few current epic items no longer endgame loot)
Not considering how it impacts on fighters that WERE USING THOSE BONUSES>

But as he removed the only sources of exceptional bonus,
changing the stance from Stalwart, and boost from Kensai into "exceptional" would likely have worked..
(also "future proof" when/if stalwart becomes a racial PRE, allowing stance and boost to stack on stalwart kensai's)
Instead he responded by changing kensai into Psionic meaning the titan grip clicky is now useless, and hasn't bothered fixing Stalwart at all.


Does that sum it up well?

[loki_3369]

Yer, last i heard F_o_S was changing kensai boost to psionic (meaning cookies and titans glove are useless. Kensai went from a -2 to -3 Str (1to2 mod) loss to a situational -6(3 mod) loss.

If F_o_S changed the bonus type Stalwarts and Kensai's get to the (now unused) "exceptional" type, everyone wins.

Or they could just change it to an untyped bonus... Oh, right. That would be game breaking. Far too much power-creep.

Seriously though, I see no conflicting abilities there. Barbarian Rage stacks with everything, is that OP too? Monk stances stack with everything last I checked. Lich form stacks with everything, doesn't it?

I understand the constant buff/nerf cycle, but this seems a little excessive. Supreme Cleave, Power Surge, Stalwart stance, Madstones+Barb Rage. It's getting a little out of hand in my opinion. The circle of "fixing" one thing and breaking two others is ridiculous.

I don't know. I just think it could have been handled better. As someone's said before; they're just trying to cram way too much **** into one update. That leads to the abilities not getting the individual attention they should. Which in turn leads to oversights (such as Feather, changing Power Surge to a psionic bonus, not knowing it conflicted with Titan's Grip's (despite how situational they are)).

Not much we can do aside from showing our displeasure. Unfortunately, despite the countless threads, the changes will most likely still come to pass.

/Meh.

[voodoogroves]

Since the Stalwart Defender stance gives COMPETENCE bonus to Strength and Constitution, SD fighters will no longer enjoy the +1 bonus STR or CON from ToD rings.

Or epic clear augments, presumably.

[QuantumFX]

Maybe the Devs are trying to cut back on all the STR Boosts out there and bring down the Ridiculous Top Strength scores that can currently be hit.

Their goal is to keep exceptional bonuses reigned in. It’s to help keep the stat boosts in check for M.A.D. classes. If you’re hunting for max bonuses you would need a +8 Enhancement item, a +1 Ex. stat item, a +2 Ex. stat item, a +3 Ex. stat item, and then whatever profane and random proc items we could fit in. This works for a Barbarian or THF Kensai because all they need is STR and CON. But it completely screws over Paladins, Monks, Rogues, Rangers, TWF Kensai, and melee Bards. By going with the +2/+3 not stacking model players have more options for gear slotting. (My big question is “Why not just make the current exceptional bonuses not stack and then just change the +1 Exceptional stats to competence or whatever?”)