Ranger Monk build

[SSFWEl]

I am going crazy planning a monkcher. So I settled on helf Fighter12/Monk7/Wiz1 (Thank you Shat for the advice...)
But I was playing around and came up with this. Will give me an obscene number of feats. More than I need but it can be very fun, I think. Even too augment summaning. Just becasue I could. Will give me great burst from 10k and manyshot. And even melee should be OK.

It's similar to this build, but that got no comments. (Maybe for reason lol): http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=356723

1. Does this sound good? Is it that worse than KensaiII/7Monk/1Wiz?
2. Does devotion from ranger stack with monk imp. recovery? --> YES

3. Will my melee be good? I have all the TWF feats, so it should be.
4. Is crit range bludgeon worth taking? -->NO

5. Does sunder worth with ranged? I can take imp sunder. --> NO
6. Another toughness instead of bludgeon wep focus? --> Maybe

Any other comments?



EDIT:
Took into account some comments.
Also Added another option. Will take mental tough feat - no wiz. Gives me Imp evasion that Monk gets at lvl 9.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male
(8 Monk \ 11 Ranger \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 374
Spell Points: 475 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 18
Will: 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             13                 16                   16
Dexterity            13                 16                   20
Constitution         15                 18                   18
Intelligence          8                 11                   11
Wisdom               18                 26                   28
Charisma              8                 11                   11

Tomes Used
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Mixed Heritage
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Social Graces (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Augment Summoning
Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 16 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion IV
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Trap Sense II

This is option B:

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male
(9 Monk \ 11 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 356
Spell Points: 450 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 18
Will: 18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             13                 16                   16
Dexterity            13                 16                   20
Constitution         15                 18                   18
Intelligence          8                 11                   11
Wisdom               18                 26                   28
Charisma              8                 11                   11

Tomes Used
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Mixed Heritage
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Social Graces (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 16 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion IV
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Trap Sense II

[karl_k0ch]

Why 12 Ranger?

[Lord_kNiels]

To start with your questions. (I assume they are about the 12rgr/7mnk/1wiz you posted.

1. Ill get back to this later in the post to sum up

2. Yes, they stack. Also stack further with human imp. rec. from Helf. If you take all human and monk imp rec, wear jidz-tet'ka in fire stance and have 10% and 20% healing amp on (DT armor for example) your cure moderate wounds will heal you for over 100 points for no more than 8sp. Ofc fire stance in this build is not advised for ranging, though you will still be healed for about 80-90 without jidz-tet'ka. Oh, and you will want some ranger devotion too. 2 should suffice, 3 if you like big numbers lol.

3. Your melee will almost only depend on the handwraps you wear. And make sure you take stunning fist! With that much wisdom you cannot leave it out. After all its dependant on total level not only monk level.

4. Both yes and no. If you find yourself meleeing alot then yes. Also if you have no ki-enhancing gear then yes (for ki-regen). This will mainly depend if you are going to play end game or not. If not its not that important to take.

5. Sunder doesn't work with ranged. However with stunning fist the imp. sunder is an awesome debuff to apply first. Must have IMO. (Well, both stunning fist and imp. sunder.)

6. I would focus on stunning fist and imp. sunder rather than WF:B. More toughness if you really can't find anymore benefits from other feats.

So about the build. I think you misunderstood the purpose of the wizard level in your first mentioned build. It is to give you a spellpoint class for the arcane archer PrE. As ranger you get spellpoints, so this wizard level is not necessary. Personally I don't think the 12th ranger level is needed either, as your PrE is drawn from race, not class in this case. That leaves you two class slots, which can be used on fighter for example, for one more str enhancement, one more toughness enhancement AND haste boost. Or you could go with rogue, for haste boost, traps skills and full UMD ranks. Its whatever you prefer of course and other classes like artificer can also give you some benefits. But the wizard level only gives you another caster feat and if your feat situation is as you wrote it is, the wizard level is a no gain level.

As for your starting stats I would go with more strength, one less con, 2 less wisdom (cause strength will really matter in melee, and also adds dps to your bow.) Depending on your class and thus available skill choices you should also consider 2 more points in int.
A good leveling progress would be:
1: ranger (skill points)
2: monk (unarmed combat, ac bonus from wis)
3-7: ranger (fast access to bow feats and imp twf)
8-12: monk (fastest way to access manyshot and 10k stars at the same time for more bow use)
13-17: ranger (the remaining ranger levels)
18: monk (for the last monk imp. rec.)

The additional class choice you make can be put in somewhere. Rogue would be good as the first level and somewhere in the middle, whereas fighter would be better at lvl 8 and at level 19 for better skill point distribution and the fact the the fighter bonus feats can be spread out nice. (Of course if you pick another class than fighter or rogue think where it benefits you the most and squeeze it in.

So is this build better than the kensaiII?
Survivability and self-sufficiency: Yes.
Absolute, max boss dps in bursts: No.
You pick.

Edit: I see the wizard level is to avoid the need of mental toughness. Again with your described feat situation it is no problem. And consider quick draw for quick swaps between bow and handwraps.

[SSFWEl]

To start with your questions. (I assume they are about the 12rgr/7mnk/1wiz you posted.


As for your starting stats I would go with more strength, one less con, 2 less wisdom (cause strength will really matter in melee, and also adds dps to your bow.) Depending on your class and thus available skill choices you should also consider 2 more points in int.

So is this build better than the kensaiII?
Survivability and self-sufficiency: Yes.
Absolute, max boss dps in bursts: No.
You pick.

Edit: I see the wizard level is to avoid the need of mental toughness. Again with your described feat situation it is no problem. And consider quick draw for quick swaps between bow and handwraps.

Thanks for the detailed reply!
I think I will change it to 11/8/1.
Yes that's why I took the single wiz level. I like lots of feats lol. And I will adjust my points and feats a bit according to your recommendations.