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  1. 06-04-2012, 11:24 AM #1
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    Angry I want a Pally DPS

    Not first time post it on forum but today i needed to say again brother... I WANT A DPS PALLY!!

    Why i have to stick with a pre like DoS if we have KoC?
    because +6 str and +6 con +hate is better in most cases than KoC bonusses... I don't want to talk about the other pre...

    Why i'm complaining and crying again like a litte girl?
    because i'm sick of see a barbarian or fighter smash undead or evil outsiders faster than me...

    Why i can't kick ass like...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SolcH...feature=relmfu

    I feel like...
    http://panzercow.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/pug.jpg

    Well... time to do something constructive...
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  2. 06-04-2012, 01:09 PM #2
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    /signed

    Also, that video is freakin awesome!
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  3. 06-04-2012, 02:08 PM #3
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    Because paladins have significant abilities outside of pure DPS. This is especially illustrated by the Hunter of the Dead PrE, which offers almost no undead-related DPS whatsoever.
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  4. 06-05-2012, 04:44 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinerd View Post
    Because paladins have significant abilities outside of pure DPS. This is especially illustrated by the Hunter of the Dead PrE, which offers almost no undead-related DPS whatsoever.
    Yes, and do you think that a Hunter of Dead is better than a barbarian with a disruption weapon? I don't think so...
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  5. 06-05-2012, 09:03 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Yes, and do you think that a Hunter of Dead is better than a barbarian with a disruption weapon? I don't think so...
    I'd rather have a Paladin with decent heal amp as a main tank than a spongy 900-HP Barbarian.
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  6. 06-05-2012, 09:07 AM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    I'd rather have a Paladin with decent heal amp as a main tank than a spongy 900-HP Barbarian.
    Yes me too, but my point is related to the ability to crush his specialty... i mean, i consider a pally HoD made to crsuh undead but the thing is that a bbn can smash undead faster... why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Yes me too, but my point is related to the ability to crush his specialty... i mean, i consider a pally HoD made to crsuh undead but the thing is that a bbn can smash undead faster... why?
    Because the benefits of the Paladin class are not exclusively related to DPS.
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  8. 06-05-2012, 09:32 AM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Yes me too, but my point is related to the ability to crush his specialty... i mean, i consider a pally HoD made to crsuh undead but the thing is that a bbn can smash undead faster... why?
    Killing stuff quickly doesn't matter when you get neg leveled, stat drained and otherwise incapacitated to death. Sure, there are items to combat all of these effects but the issue there isn't that HotD is underpowered, more that we get too much loot too easily to combat those basic ailments.

    I'd still lean towards HotD for levels 6 to 17 on a paladin, killing stuff 1 second faster or even 5 seconds faster as a barbarian is secondary to good self sufficiency.
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  9. 06-05-2012, 09:41 AM #9
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    A pure paladin with a spare hand, a marilith chain, improved sunder, improved critical and a Terror will quickly destroy trash mobs. Improved sunder lowers the mob's fortitude save, making it much easier to land those phantasmal killers. The paladin capstone lets the terror bypass good DR.

    Against bosses, get a cursespewing weapon, a improved cursespewing weapon, keep the sunders going and tell the caster to go crazy with disintegrate and necrotic ray, the monks to go crazy with curses and ToD, and so on. Lowering boss saves is a huge help, sometimes.
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  10. 06-05-2012, 10:21 AM #10
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    You are doing it wrong if your kotc get out-dps by a barb or fighter on a EO. (Well, not when they use dr breaking crystal but still)
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  11. 06-05-2012, 08:02 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Why i can't kick ass like...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SolcH...feature=relmfu
    This guy has:
    - Evasion: 2 rogue splash
    - Not maxed STR: Almost farted to lift that warhammer
    - Maxed CHA: A decent smite to chop that big skele hands
    - Holy Sword: At least 14 paladin levels

    Plus, that PM was a noob. Everybody know that summon undead is a waste of AP =D
    I don't care...

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  12. 06-06-2012, 06:10 AM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Not first time post it on forum but today i needed to say again brother... I WANT A DPS PALLY!!

    Why i have to stick with a pre like DoS if we have KoC?
    because +6 str and +6 con +hate is better in most cases than KoC bonusses... I don't want to talk about the other pre...

    Why i'm complaining and crying again like a litte girl?
    because i'm sick of see a barbarian or fighter smash undead or evil outsiders faster than me...

    Why i can't kick ass like...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SolcH...feature=relmfu

    I feel like...
    http://panzercow.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/pug.jpg

    Well... time to do something constructive...
    You sure you don't feel more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYX_zhlTDr8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Yes, and do you think that a Hunter of Dead is better than a barbarian with a disruption weapon? I don't think so...
    Better at what? If you mean "at DPS", that's exactly what I'm talking about.
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    Recently I had a small opportunity to ask a dev about the state of paladins and the lack of dps options. I was informed that tentatively this was being looked into after update 15.

    It's going to be awhile folks.

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    /sighned
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  16. 06-06-2012, 08:08 PM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternative View Post
    /sighned
    Heh...

    You know how you give a Pally DPS? Add fighter/rogue levels for haste boost, and an Esos.
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