The Auction House addiction, and ideas...

[Kawai]

I'm curious, like many i am sure, how much of your gametime is spent at your local AH's.
Myself... I'm in the rare bunch for sure, i can spend all bloody afternoon there. It generally takes me 3 months or more to go from level 1 to 20 (Main is on third life, alts are all around 8-12ish) b ecause of the amount of time spent buying low and selling high at the addiction house. Yea, usually in Market 1 in my little spot.
Despite the amount of time spent, I've never accumulated more than three mill. Too buzy buying more stuff!
(And no, i don't dabble in scrolls yet, mainly just Ings and Dragonscales and little whatnot's.) But it's a part of the game that is quite enjoyable to me, alt/tabbing from Ebay and others and back to DDO...
So my question is this... would you LIKE, or HATE to see the AH go live, like D3 and be able to use your own hard earned cash to buy and sell items? DDO would get thier cut, soim sure they are already considering it...
What about you, Completionists? What about you, random weekend players? What about you... ALL?
-Tarelyn ~Achillesia, Thelanis

[Cauthey]

The Auction House (AH) has a similar appeal that eBay does. It's a chance to speculate, get the "great deals," and occasionally move something rare or coveted for a high price. I would imagine that there are quite a few in the boat with you. Quite possibly similar-minded folks that are entrepreneur, hawker, or business/marketing types.

For you, and those that are similarly minded, turning a profit on AH speculations and endeavors is "winning." Just like completing raids for some is "winning." And just like tapping out the last bit of favor for some is "winning." Spec'ing out the perfect build, finishing that last piece of epic gear, crafting, etc. There are countless ways to "win" while playing DDO, and I count that strongly as one of the games many credits.

Not much of my gametime is spend on the AH. Less than 10% of my game time, probably. Typically, I will take all treasure I find in chests, and sort it into 1) exceptional, and it might fetch a price on the AH, and 2) vendor trash, and will be crunched down for crafting essences. When I do visit the AH, it's usually to offload accumulated exceptional pieces that I think might sell. While I'm there, I'll often "spot check" things I might be able to catch a good price on - ioun stones, Planar Girds, large materials, rare scrolls, and other stuff as I think of it.

Outside of that, I'll only visit the AH when I have a pressing need for a specific item or material, or perhaps for a blank item for crafting, etc.

[Kawai]

The Auction House (AH) has a similar appeal that eBay does. It's a chance to speculate, get the "great deals," and occasionally move something rare or coveted for a high price. I would imagine that there are quite a few in the boat with you. Quite possibly similar-minded folks that are entrepreneur, hawker, or business/marketing types.

For you, and those that are similarly minded, turning a profit on AH speculations and endeavors is "winning." Just like completing raids for some is "winning." And just like tapping out the last bit of favor for some is "winning." Spec'ing out the perfect build, finishing that last piece of epic gear, crafting, etc. There are countless ways to "win" while playing DDO, and I count that strongly as one of the games many credits.

Not much of my gametime is spend on the AH. Less than 10% of my game time, probably. Typically, I will take all treasure I find in chests, and sort it into 1) exceptional, and it might fetch a price on the AH, and 2) vendor trash, and will be crunched down for crafting essences. When I do visit the AH, it's usually to offload accumulated exceptional pieces that I think might sell. While I'm there, I'll often "spot check" things I might be able to catch a good price on - ioun stones, Planar Girds, large materials, rare scrolls, and other stuff as I think of it.

Outside of that, I'll only visit the AH when I have a pressing need for a specific item or material, or perhaps for a blank item for crafting, etc.

Thanks for the input, and you mentioned the vendor trash/crunchykrafty which has really put a dent in the available resources for the pawns and the AH itself; although there is a new market there now for crafted items that the krafteez are taking advantage of (more power to them).
But what are your thoughts on taking the AH to the world of LIVE. Using your own cash to buy and sell, like D3?
-Tarelyn

[Mastikator]

I would utterly despise it and would consider leaving DDO if it were implemented to be honest. :/

[Kawai]

I would utterly despise it and would consider leaving DDO if it were implemented to be honest. :/

Despise it? :O why?
You wouldnt be forced to use it, you can still use plat... plz explain?
-Tare

[Mastikator]

It would make gear less valid evidence of "in game accomplishment". (I consider grinding for the things you want a form of accomplishment)

[Kawai]

It would make gear less valid evidence of "in game accomplishment". (I consider grinding for the things you want a form of accomplishment)

Grinding is nice... and then you can turn around and make money/plat/points from said grind....
-Tare

[Cauthey]

Thanks for the input, and you mentioned the vendor trash/crunchykrafty which has really put a dent in the available resources for the pawns and the AH itself; although there is a new market there now for crafted items that the krafteez are taking advantage of (more power to them).
But what are your thoughts on taking the AH to the world of LIVE. Using your own cash to buy and sell, like D3?
-Tarelyn

...like Diablo III, ehh?

I am rather surprised and stunned at Diablo III's implementation of a real cash based Auction House system. When they announced the news of their plan, I immediately thought that they had the wrong idea.

Though, after considering it further, their step into the cash-based in-game transactions was a bold one. And, quite possibly... it had to be made. Someone was eventually going to make the step. Why not they do it with their Diablo III baby.

I won't play Diablo III for a couple of reasons, though the primary one is that my gaming needs are more than sufficiently satisfied by DDO at the present. I also have a tendency to stick to games I know and like, and often don't mind replaying content. If I were to play Diablo III, I can tell you know that I would not partake in any cash-based purchases. Though, admittedly, I might dabble with cash-based sales. I can't remember how it works though... can you actually get Blizzard to send you a check for your virtual goods brokering net gains?

Frankly, I think that DDO's AH system is fine the way it is. I don't believe that there would be sufficient "gain" to the game experience if Turbine added a cash-based auction system like what Diablo III has. I don't believe that a majority of the DDO player base would support such a change.

However, if they did support the change, and rallied for and asked for it until Turbine added it, I would likely suffer the change, and would still not make cash-based purchases. The same holds true that if I got a nifty piece of random loot that I thought might be cash-worthy, I might try offering it for sale on the cash-based system.

[Cauthey]

It would make gear less valid evidence of "in game accomplishment". (I consider grinding for the things you want a form of accomplishment)

Even if they did implement cash-style, I don't think that you'd be able to sell the standard BtC type raid gear, which is most of the "in game accomplishment" kind of loot. Nonetheless, an item that has been worked for / earned / ground for out to be regarded higher than something that was merely pay to win.

[Kawai]

[QUOTE=Cauthey;4491200...I won't play Diablo III for a couple of reasons, though the primary one is that my gaming needs are more than sufficiently satisfied by DDO at the present. QUOTE]

I won't play D3 either... DDO is meh thingy. I would just like to see the added option, and yes i think it would require more BTA/BTC items being flagged to do biz with.
-Tare

[LordMond63]

While I don't think that I would ever avail myself of it, if Turbine introduced a real currency AH into DDO it wouldn't bother me one bit.

As DDO is a cooperative rather than competitive game, I'm not impacted negatively by someone else being able to buy an in-game advantage. In fact, their advantage can become my advantage because, if I am grouped with them and they have an easier time completing whatever the challenge happens to be, then I benefit from that ease as well. Sounds like a win-win to me.

[PinkDragonJr]

in this i am neutral. as long as i can still buy and sell on the AH for plat and not only cash i cannot think of any valid reasons for or against it. if it was there i might give it a go just to see, but i have little interest in that kind of thing. though i can easily appreciate that my goals in this game are not shared by others so i do not begrudge the people that want to enhance their experience, by adding in real money.

in regards to the Diablo version of this i often wondered how they would handle the money side of it. weather it be a direct transaction between players through a hub or all of the money handling being done by blizzard so they can take most of it. then there are thing like fluctuation exchange rates to think about.

what Turbine could consider would be doing a trial of this with turbine points, though many will disagree with this since these are non liquifiable assets which is what i senses they want to see. if money could be made off this then those that treat MMO's like a second job can really make it a job.

maybe selecting how you want to auction: be it in game platinum, to be paid as fees and then received as payment.
or as turbine points to be paid as fees and then received as payment, though that would limit the market even more now that i think about it, not expand it. i guess, paying fees as plat and then letting a customer decide if they are going to pay turbine points or plat for it.

i suspect this was a long term plan form turbine anyway. with the auctioneers percentage fee for auctions on successful sale. i have always wondered why they bothered charging a fee with nonexistent currency that they don't need, but it makes sense if they are training the players to accept fee charges when they moved over to real money.

[Xynot2]

Rule #1 Never suggest that DDO put a RL $ amount on anything to help them make money or you will incur the wrath of those who think it's paying to win.

To the pay 2 win naysayers: 1) You dotn win DDO. 2) if you suck, buying uber gear doesnt make you better. 3) you play your way let others play theirs.

I personally think that EVERYthing should be able to be bought in DDO store. Frankly, after a gazillion ToD runs I would just rather buy a ring cuz Im REALLY getting tired of that run (on the toon in question) and the devs dont seem interested in cutting some slack and putting it in the 20 runs end rewards statically.

A) I put a lot of RL $$ into the game... I'm not leaving
B) I'm never going to get so bored I quit DDO
C) I genuinely like the game
D) Dont think you threatening to leave is going to make me run scared that the game will die. Gotta play what you think is fun so cya and good luck.

To the OP.
I wouldn't do it but I know others who would. Not a grand idea but an acceptable one.

/signed

[Kawai]

Rule #1 Never suggest that DDO put a RL $ amount on anything to help them make money or you will incur the wrath of those who think it's paying to win.

To the pay 2 win naysayers: 1) You dotn win DDO. 2) if you suck, buying uber gear doesnt make you better. 3) you play your way let others play theirs.

I personally think that EVERYthing should be able to be bought in DDO store. Frankly, after a gazillion ToD runs I would just rather buy a ring cuz Im REALLY getting tired of that run (on the toon in question) and the devs dont seem interested in cutting some slack and putting it in the 20 runs end rewards statically.

A) I put a lot of RL $$ into the game... I'm not leaving
B) I'm never going to get so bored I quit DDO
C) I genuinely like the game
D) Dont think you threatening to leave is going to make me run scared that the game will die. Gotta play what you think is fun so cya and good luck.

To the OP.
I wouldn't do it but I know others who would. Not a grand idea but an acceptable one.

/signed

Very good points all around. Gear doesnt make you win, thats up to the player.
And I, too, have spent a great deal of money in the past, usually on stuff i dont really even need... new hairstyle each week etc etc
Oh, and for /signing, you get a big fatty +1 to you
-Tarelyn

[InsanityIsYourFriend]

i believe its a good idea, if someone wants to pay to win let them, i personally would be farming things dry to make some money that i could turn around and buy more content with, main things that i could see selling on real money AH would be ingredients, large stacks of essences, plat, dragon scales, very rare items (like BBs GS blanks rare alchemical blanks) and epic scrolls
all of which someone could farm for or get bored farming for

i personally spend very little time on AH but i would like real $!

[Kawai]

i believe its a good idea, if someone wants to pay to win let them, i personally would be farming things dry to make some money that i could turn around and buy more content with, main things that i could see selling on real money AH would be ingredients, large stacks of essences, plat, dragon scales, very rare items (like BBs GS blanks rare alchemical blanks) and epic scrolls
all of which someone could farm for or get bored farming for

i personally spend very little time on AH but i would like real $!

...and a +1 ChokkyChip cookie for you!
-Tarelyn

[SiliconScout]

NOT signed.

Look if you want to allow real cash into the AH then if you think the "gold" spammers used to be bad, look out because now they can legitimately sell their "stuffs" for money. Additionally you are going to have a lot of farming accounts in the game then who aren't interested in grouping or helping they are just looking for those items they can easily turn into hard cash. I saw enough of that in Diablo II to be honest, it's better if we just avoid that in my never to be humble opinion.

If the idea is to allow you to use real money to buy things in the AH then I say the way to do that is the turbine store.

Allow TP to purchase Plat and then you have that problem solved without having to allow any more of that **** in.

The problem here is that they will then lose their ability to have any real control on the value of Plat in the game and we then have the very real possibility for runaway inflation.

In the end there is already enough ways to buy the things you need in the game I don't see the need for a real cash AH.

If I wanted to play Diablo then I would play Diablo.

[Kawai]

...If the idea is to allow you to use real money to buy things in the AH then I say the way to do that is the turbine store.

Allow TP to purchase Plat and then you have that problem solved without having to allow any more of that **** in.

Thanks for the input, and i mean that. Neither do i like the idea of playing Diablo3. But my own issue to the above recommendation of using TPS is that i seriously want the ability to attempt to make actual money via buying and selling, it's that simple. And purchasing plat is just a very very bad idea imo... it's like a nuke.
-Tarelyn

[phalaeo]

I'm the same as the OP- I can spend an hour or two just at the AH. The weird thing is that I'm not a shopper IRL... I hate researching before making big purchases, I hate going to stores, and I never saw any mall as being "shopping therapy".

I could honestly just log on and play the game "Argonnessen AH".... it's the secondary addiction to actually playing.

[Kawai]

I'm the same as the OP- I can spend an hour or two just at the AH. The weird thing is that I'm not a shopper IRL... I hate researching before making big purchases, I hate going to stores, and I never saw any mall as being "shopping therapy".

I could honestly just log on and play the game "Argonnessen AH".... it's the secondary addiction to actually playing.

i know right? my booty is usually parked at mkt1 front and center of the AH. Like i think ive said before it takes me months to go 1-20... shameful.
And oh, your sooo wrong about the mall. it IS shopping therapy, especially the shoe stores.
But alas, you get my last +1 of the day. Cheers, luv.
-Tarelyn