I'm very sorry.......

[Chai]

So, if I understand you correctly, the first two lines of this post say:

You do not understand me correctly. The entire post you made after quoting mine is an interpretation that favors your view the most and mine the least, but has nothing to do with what I said, whatsoever. Instead of interpreting my words, read them at face value. The basic premise of the post you quoted is that people dont get this mad when the person they disagree with is wrong. They do when that person is correct about the issue.

[Seb]

Sometimes you just have to laugh. I had someone hit my "zerg" Bloody Crypt lfm the other day who couldn't find the quest. His English was good but when I told him it was in the Necropolis, off of House P he couldn't figure it out. I was already in the quest so I asked him to follow the next person who joined. He couldn't do that either.

Is there a way to communicate that you are zerging to people who do not understand video game jargon? I don't like using things like "no newbs" and "no babysitting" but I also don't like being distracted when I'm trying to zerg.

[Blackbird]

You do not understand me correctly. The entire post you made after quoting mine is an interpretation that favors your view the most and mine the least, but has nothing to do with what I said, whatsoever. Instead of interpreting my words, read them at face value. The basic premise of the post you quoted is that people dont get this mad when the person they disagree with is wrong. They do when that person is correct about the issue.

And on what do you base your assertion that people only get mad if the person they disagree with is correct? You are the one getting mad. I'm not mad (amused, yes, not mad). People disagree because they think someone is wrong. I concede that people get frustrated if the person they disagree with will not respond to reasoned, logical arguments but instead blindly covers their ears/eyes and shouts "la la la la if I can't hear your arguments I can't be wrong. La la la la I'm right for no logical reason. La la la". I'm not even frustrated, I am purely amused.

Also, for opinions, it's really not possible to be wrong as an opinion is just that, an opinion. But you have been making assertions of fact which are unsupported. Those can be wrong. As for opinions with no basis in fact ..... Well, those happen all the time as well. Hard to say they're "wrong", just unsupported or based on erroneous facts.

People replying to this thread have pointed out where your facts are incorrect and argued that many of your opinions are unsupported, even by the facts and criteria you put forth. You refuse to listen or even acknowledge.

As for me taking what you said and reading in my favor and to your detriment, isn't that what you have been doing? At least mine is based on a plain reading.

[Cyndrome]

You do not understand me correctly. The entire post you made after quoting mine is an interpretation that favors your view the most and mine the least, but has nothing to do with what I said, whatsoever. Instead of interpreting my words, read them at face value. The basic premise of the post you quoted is that people dont get this mad when the person they disagree with is wrong. They do when that person is correct about the issue.

Chai,

Noone else here is mad. We are all laughing at you.

[Failedlegend]

You didnt read the "BYOH" part of my LFM and died a few times.

yes, there were 2 Divines in the group... That doesnt mean you can ignore parts of the lfm.

I love how divines can get away with BYOH just fine but if a rogue says DYOT (disable your own traps), a Barb says BYOR (bring your own rage), a wizard, sorc, bard,Arty,etc. says BYOB (Bring your own buffs), A Bard says BYOS (Bring your own songs) they get blacklisted.

[Cyndrome]

I love how divines can get away with BYOH just fine but if a rogue says DYOT (disable your own traps), a Barb says BYOR (bring your own rage), a wizard, sorc, bard,Arty,etc. says BYOB (Bring your own buffs), A Bard says BYOS (Bring your own songs) they get blacklisted.

Put it in the LFM- it might be good for a few laughs. But, in the long run, guess which one will fill the fastest. I like joining BYOH groups when I am leveling because I am more likely to find fast, self-sufficient people to knock out some quests with.

[Grimlock]

This.

[Enoach]

You do not understand me correctly. The entire post you made after quoting mine is an interpretation that favors your view the most and mine the least, but has nothing to do with what I said, whatsoever. Instead of interpreting my words, read them at face value. The basic premise of the post you quoted is that people dont get this mad when the person they disagree with is wrong. They do when that person is correct about the issue.

Wait, so based on this when I got angry with my daughter who was wrong and disagreed with me about doing the chore I asked her to do, I was wrong?

Keep in mind, it was her chore, it's been assigned to her for years, she just didn't want to do it.

Just to help you here since you didn't take my advice on a graceful exit; You have been wrong just about every time you speak about the human condition. You have shown over and over that your view of the world is about the size of a Petri dish as compared to either a US or European Football field.

People get upset for a few reasons

1. They are wrong and don't like to be <- Some cases this is a lash out like a tiger pinned, but most cases this is turned inward and becomes more self reflecting - Here the proper thing to do is give a person a Graceful out.
2. People won't listen to them <- Frustrating when you believe you have something good to say and no one will listen
3. Someone doesn't understand and frustration turns to anger
4. They feel slighted
5. They have been Wronged
6. They are inebriated and lost any real sense
7. They are just plain and simple jerks

Oh and here is a link that I found to be a fun read about internet debating http://arthurwindermere.hubpages.com/hub/OnlineDebating

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Also, for opinions, it's really not possible to be wrong as an opinion is just that, an opinion. {snip}

According to my wife my opinion is always wrong, unless it agrees with her opinion (hehehe). But that might just be a horse of a different color

[Blackbird]

According to my wife my opinion is always wrong, unless it agrees with her opinion (hehehe). But that might just be a horse of a different color

This is true. Our (wife, girlfriend, etc) opinions are always right

[Chai]

Wait, so based on this when I got angry with my daughter who was wrong and disagreed with me about doing the chore I asked her to do, I was wrong?

Keep in mind, it was her chore, it's been assigned to her for years, she just didn't want to do it.

Just to help you here since you didn't take my advice on a graceful exit; You have been wrong just about every time you speak about the human condition. You have shown over and over that your view of the world is about the size of a Petri dish as compared to either a US or European Football field.

People get upset for a few reasons

1. They are wrong and don't like to be <- Some cases this is a lash out like a tiger pinned, but most cases this is turned inward and becomes more self reflecting - Here the proper thing to do is give a person a Graceful out.
2. People won't listen to them <- Frustrating when you believe you have something good to say and no one will listen
3. Someone doesn't understand and frustration turns to anger
4. They feel slighted
5. They have been Wronged
6. They are inebriated and lost any real sense
7. They are just plain and simple jerks

According to my wife my opinion is always wrong, unless it agrees with her opinion (hehehe). But that might just be a horse of a different color

Another interpretation, in a completely different context, again having nothing to do with what I said.

And I am correct on what I stated. When you post something on these forums and youre wrong, people grin, post some flippant remark once, then move on. When you post something they disagree with and you are correct, they pile on, and egg the person on with personal insults and accusations of lack of understanding and failure to read. Why? Because theres no point they can make, so the festival of knee jerk reactionary insults pours forth predictably to the point where one could set a watch to it. The memes soon follow, and once in a blue moon, you even get a medical diagnosis out of the ordeal, because you know, when someone disagrees with the masses (or in this case, 5 or 6 people), clearly there must be something wrong with them, right? Somehow they were able to rule out the distinct possibility of two perfectly normal adults having a different opinion on the internet.

[Enoach]

Another interpretation, in a completely different context, again having nothing to do with what I said.

And I am correct on what I stated. When you post something on these forums and youre wrong, people grin, post some flippant remark once, then move on. When you post something they disagree with and you are correct, they pile on, and egg the person on with personal insults and accusations of lack of understanding and failure to read. Why? Because theres no point they can make, so the festival of knee jerk reactionary insults pours forth predictably to the point where one could set a watch to it. The memes soon follow, and once in a blue moon, you even get a medical diagnosis out of the ordeal, because you know, when someone disagree with the masses, clearly there must be something wrong with them, right? Somehow they were able to rule out the distinct possibility of two perfectly normal adults having a different opinion on the internet.

Obviously you feel you are right. That is clear. I have not attacked you in my posts here, but have pointed out that your initial crusade of trying to use Impaqt's post to support your "Elitests are Jerks" opinion, which then switched to why was a double standard applied, which than switch to people on forums don't act the same way as in game, which than switch to "see because you all disagree with me I must be right" stance is the WRONG approach to getting your message heard. I was even kind enough to give you a graceful out, removing the absolutes and still agreeing with you that elements of what you were pointing out do appear.

Instead you have taken a hard stance that you are the only one with Eyes open wide enough to see the big picture and everyone else is wrong.

Personally I now take pity on you as it has become increasingly clear that you have very little life experiences under your belt, and clearly don't understand much about the world outside the small microcosm you have experienced.

As for your slight on my example. And even on Blackbirds response (theirs arguably more fantastic then mine) proves again that you have not understood your own response here.

Please take my advice, concede that you don't know everyone and that you don't have a full grasp of the human condition and move on.

[Impaqt]

I love how divines can get away with BYOH just fine but if a rogue says DYOT (disable your own traps), a Barb says BYOR (bring your own rage), a wizard, sorc, bard,Arty,etc. says BYOB (Bring your own buffs), A Bard says BYOS (Bring your own songs) they get blacklisted.

why would they get blacklisted? I wouldnt... More power to em is what I say. What you claim makes no sense at all.

[SableShadow]

I love how divines can get away with BYOH just fine but if a rogue says DYOT (disable your own traps), a Barb says BYOR (bring your own rage), a wizard, sorc, bard,Arty,etc. says BYOB (Bring your own buffs), A Bard says BYOS (Bring your own songs) they get blacklisted.

You see it in lfms all the time on Argo: "<any quest> zerg"

[Airgeadlam]

I love how divines can get away with BYOH just fine but if a rogue says DYOT (disable your own traps), a Barb says BYOR (bring your own rage), a wizard, sorc, bard,Arty,etc. says BYOB (Bring your own buffs), A Bard says BYOS (Bring your own songs) they get blacklisted.

I think you should read the whole thread to see how both divines healed once and again (and raised) the guy who died. The first post is somewhat misleading. I admit it, my first reaction to the post was "Seems a bit of a jerk", then I read the whole story and I was terribly curious about what line of thinking the arti followed to be that mad with the party (whose behavior, to my eyes, was excellent).

Also, talking from my experience, but 99% of the BYOH lfms I see are not posted by Clr/Fvs guys. Mostly melees, as a matter of fact. I'm more inclined to post that kind of lfms on my monks, per say, that on my FvS. I only do that on FvS if I intend to do a split quest, as in Bloody Crypt, where party splits for faster completion. Well, I can't be in both ends of the quest at a time, can I?

BYOH is not about not throwing a heal or a buff ever. It goes in everyones gain if I cast a Protection from Evil (Mass) instead of the single version, or if I throw you a heal if you're at risk (**** happens: you can get hold, or tripped, stunned... etc). If I'm on a BYOH run with my healers and I notice you're in danger, I will assist you. BYOH or not, I won't let you die if I can get to you in time. Even not in danger, if I see you're taking care of yourself and playing smart, I will heal you too to save you consumables. The only way I could ever think of letting you die, not just the fact of not getting you in time, but LETTING you die, is if you enter a byoh (or not) run and start acting like a real jerk. And trust me, you have to be a real pain to get me to that point.

[Cordovan]

Fighting, insults, personal attacks. Closing.