A time out for the troops :)

[Elation]

Why not,if he can post thread in general discussion then so can I post here.
If you want to say thank you to american troops go find appropriate sites.

Hmm maybe he knows some vets who have friends that have fallen. Its just not american troops either you are ignorant. I know many people who have immigrated here and honor fallen members of their family who served other nations. It is a day of rememberance.

[Elation]

Yes I followed most of them. (But my orders had nothing to do with a war.) The consequences of not following depended on the orders. You could got jail in the worst case. But sometimes this can be better than following the orders.

So since your orders do not include war time mission for your country you had to make no real choicers you could clearly and blindly just follow them till your term of service was over? Their are those that choose not to follow orders even in the U.S. military they go to trial for not doing so. They lose they go to Jail get a dishonorable discharge (which makes finding work very difficult) serve a sentence.

Since you do not have to make this kind of choice because as you said you had nothing to do with war how can you evaluate someone elses choices?

[Izzban]

Because its wrong. Everybody is responsible for his own actions.

Anarchy went out of style a long time ago. There must be people in authority and there must be people who follow those orders. Individuals can have their own moral compass, but it is anarchy to say individuals follow their own path despite authority.

I work in construction and sometimes I am told to do things that I know will damage something. I tell my boss that my action will damage something. If he tells me to do it anyway, I don't quit on the spot and find another job. I do what I am told and when something is damaged, I am not responsible.

That is where you are wrong. People are not always responsible for their own actions. When under orders of those who take the responsibility unto themselves, for instance.

[Daitengu]

So since your orders do not include war time mission for your country you had to make no real choicers you could clearly and blindly just follow them till your term of service was over?

No I did not follow them bindly. But cleaning the floor the floor doesnt hurt anybody so I could justify doing it.

Since you do not have to make this kind of choice because as you said you had nothing to do with war how can you evaluate someone elses choices?

Because i am able to think. I would not have gone to (offensive) war for this country. Even if that would have meant jail.

[Daitengu]

Anarchy went out of style a long time ago. There must be people in authority and there must be people who follow those orders. Individuals can have their own moral compass, but it is anarchy to say individuals follow their own path despite authority.

I work in construction and sometimes I am told to do things that I know will damage something. I tell my boss that my action will damage something. If he tells me to do it anyway, I don't quit on the spot and find another job. I do what I am told and when something is damaged, I am not responsible.

That is where you are wrong. People are not always responsible for their own actions. When under orders of those who take the responsibility unto themselves, for instance.

Hierarchies are required for social beings. Thats right. But that doesnt mean i jump from the bridge if im told to. And reagrding your example, i would want that order on paper. Most often than not it is you and not the boss who is made responsible for such things.

[Ivan_Milic]

Hmm maybe he knows some vets who have friends that have fallen. Its just not american troops either you are ignorant. I know many people who have immigrated here and honor fallen members of their family who served other nations. It is a day of rememberance.

Memorial Day is a federal holiday observed annually in the United States on the last Monday of May.

Only in USA,therefore american troops,you cant do anything better than call me ignorant?

Anarchy went out of style a long time ago. There must be people in authority and there must be people who follow those orders. Individuals can have their own moral compass, but it is anarchy to say individuals follow their own path despite authority.

I work in construction and sometimes I am told to do things that I know will damage something. I tell my boss that my action will damage something. If he tells me to do it anyway, I don't quit on the spot and find another job. I do what I am told and when something is damaged, I am not responsible.

That is where you are wrong. People are not always responsible for their own actions. When under orders of those who take the responsibility unto themselves, for instance.

Cant compare damaging a property with killing a human being.

[Elation]

[QUOTE=Ivan_Milic;4484734]Memorial Day is a federal holiday observed annually in the United States on the last Monday of May.

Only in USA,therefore american troops,you cant do anything better than call me ignorant?

There is a memorial day in numerous countries, Canada had theirs last week, Australia has theirs on the 11th of november, is every country that has one wrong if so you must have alot of problems. Oh those are annual also. So yes you are ignorant to believe that it is only in the U.S. that we celebrate those that have lost their lives in service.

I can do better researching every country and listing their days of rememberance but hopefully you get the point. You do not like america thats your choice, but i bet you play this game with alot of americans.

[Beethoven]

When they got in army they agreed to do everything they are told to do.

You realize that your statements include those who decided to join the Croatian army to protect their country and loved ones from the Chetniks during the Yugoslav wars? I been in the country next door (and in the military) during these days and seen the pictures of what happened to those who did not have anyone to protect them. You really think it wrong to honor those who laid down their life to allow Croatia be their own, free country and prevent it from falling under Serbian oppression? You don't think it wrong then why would you not grant another country the same privilege?

It is funny how americans think they are the only humans in this world.

I will grant you the topic was posted in the wrong thread and should have gone into off topic. That being said, I am pretty sure your country (whatever it is) has its own holidays and celebrations which are specific to your heritage and customs. There is nothing keeping you from posting about your national holidays in off topic either nor does it mean you'd consider all other countries insignificant.

Plz post your war-hungering, blood thirsty posts somewhere i can't see them.

You don't seem to grasp what that holiday is about. It's about commemorating those who have fallen in the wars. It's pretty much to opposite of war hungering and (among other things) to remind us (particularly Americans) to not go lightly into conflict and remember the horrors, pain and loss that comes with wars.

I'm sorry but plenty of people die doing their job due to mishaps...like window washers cart line snaps, bus driver gets hit by semi running a red light, construction worker gets zapped by a supposed "dead" wire I don't see them getting honored.

Yeah, but Memorial Day is not about commemorating those soldiers who have died during a training accident. Its about those who have given their life in the line of duty and more precisely those who have fallen doing the right thing at personal risk. Your window washer, bus driver or construction worker put their life at risk to save someone else they very well get honored and often will have an own news story dedicated to them.

Because its wrong. Everybody is responsible for his own actions.

You going to apply the same reasoning to private industries and pretty much everyone who lives in a western country and works for a living should be held personally responsible for child labor, various human rights violations and worse since odds are their company directly or indirectly suuports a system were production is re-located into various third world countries to produce their products cheaper than they could domestically.

I aint blaming them,they decided to join to army,their choice,no reason to thank them,if they were defending your home country then thank them,not for invading other countries.

No one is thanking anyone for invading other countries and you may not want to go down the road of claiming every citizen is responsible for everything their army did during their history, seeing how your military (same as mine) supported the Fascists back in the day.

I will agree that not every cause of the US deserves to be honored and not every soldier necessarily deserves commemorating, yet cannot I see anything wrong with honoring those who put down their life's doing the right thing, defending higher ideals such as democracy and freedom. I also think it should be extended beyond just the military (ie: the firemen responding to 9/11), but I am not going to go so far to try mess it up for those who like celebrate it in its original meaning or even outright insult them.

Im pretty much disgusted with some of our player base now, but dont know why that should surprise me.

+1. It is disgusting to see how many people will go out of their way to insult and attack someone else just for celebrating their culture, whatever that culture may be .... that's exactly what you (the proverbial you) are doing when attacking Americans solely for expressing their cultural custom of Memorial Day.

[Elation]

You realize that your statements include those who decided to join the Croatian army to protect their country and loved ones from the Chetniks during the Yugoslav wars? I been in the country next door (and in the military) during these days and seen the pictures of what happened to those who did not have anyone to protect them. You really think it wrong to honor those who laid down their life to allow Croatia be their own, free country and prevent it from falling under Serbian oppression? You don't think it wrong then why would you not grant another country the same privilege?



I will grant you the topic was posted in the wrong thread and should have gone into off topic. That being said, I am pretty sure your country (whatever it is) has its own holidays and celebrations which are specific to your heritage and customs. There is nothing keeping you from posting about your national holidays in off topic either nor does it mean you'd consider all other countries insignificant.



You don't seem to grasp what that holiday is about. It's about commemorating those who have fallen in the wars. It's pretty much to opposite of war hungering and (among other things) to remind us (particularly Americans) to not go lightly into conflict and remember the horrors, pain and loss that comes with wars.



Yeah, but Memorial Day is not about commemorating those soldiers who have died during a training accident. Its about those who have given their life in the line of duty and more precisely those who have fallen doing the right thing at personal risk. Your window washer, bus driver or construction worker put their life at risk to save someone else they very well get honored and often will have an own news story dedicated to them.



You going to apply the same reasoning to private industries and pretty much everyone who lives in a western country and works for a living should be held personally responsible for child labor, various human rights violations and worse since odds are their company directly or indirectly suuports a system were production is re-located into various third world countries to produce their products cheaper than they could domestically.



No one is thanking anyone for invading other countries and you may not want to go down the road of claiming every citizen is responsible for everything their army did during their history, seeing how your military (same as mine) supported the Fascists back in the day.

I will agree that not every cause of the US deserves to be honored and not every soldier necessarily deserves commemorating, yet cannot I see anything wrong with honoring those who put down their life's doing the right thing, defending higher ideals such as democracy and freedom. I also think it should be extended beyond just the military (ie: the firemen responding to 9/11), but I am not going to go so far to try mess it up for those who like celebrate it in its original meaning or even outright insult them.



+1. It is disgusting to see how many people will go out of their way to insult and attack someone else just for celebrating their culture, whatever that culture may be .... that's exactly what you (the proverbial you) are doing when attacking Americans solely for expressing their cultural custom of Memorial Day.

Well posted thank you!

[Daitengu]

You going to apply the same reasoning to private industries and pretty much everyone who lives in a western country and works for a living should be held personally responsible for child labor, various human rights violations and worse since odds are their company directly or indirectly suuports a system were production is re-located into various third world countries to produce their products cheaper than they could domestically.

Yes. Thats the way it is.

[Ivan_Milic]

You realize that your statements include those who decided to join the Croatian army to protect their country and loved ones from the Chetniks during the Yugoslav wars? I been in the country next door (and in the military) during these days and seen the pictures of what happened to those who did not have anyone to protect them. You really think it wrong to honor those who laid down their life to allow Croatia be their own, free country and prevent it from falling under Serbian oppression? You don't think it wrong then why would you not grant another country the same privilege?

Nobody is invading USA or denying them their freedom.
Yea,to protect country,not to invade other country,big difference.
And this day is only for America troops,other countries have other days.
Ive been in the country,my dad was in war for 5 years,but I dont post threads about it,neither does he want people to say thank him,he did what he wanted to do.Every war happens because of politics.If you are being invaded its logical you gonna defend your country,but if nobody is invading or threatening your countries freedom then why would you go to war?

[Elation]

Yes. Thats the way it is.

Well i guess you have your scapegoat for the world sucking? It is all America's fault. Wow hey you stubbed your to today it is the americans fault you can not walk. You are rediculous and extreme.

[Ivan_Milic]

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=107424

[Elation]

Nobody is invading USA or denying them their freedom.
Yea,to protect country,not to invade other country,big difference.
And this day is only for America troops,other countries have other days.
Ive been in the country,my dad was in war for 5 years,but I dont post threads about it,neither does he want people to say thank him,he did what he wanted to do.Every war happens because of politics.If you are being invaded its logical you gonna defend your country,but if nobody is invading or threatening your countries freedom then why would you go to war?

We have alot of immigrants from all over the world they can remember their fallen also.

Just because your father does not want to be remembered and you have nothing to stand on yourself does not mean others did not take pride in what they stood and died for.

So do you bash the other countries when they have their days?

I do not care and living U.S. vets rarely seek out people and ask for thanks. We are greatful for when its giving but this has nothing to do with those still alive. We should have stayed out of world war two accept Pearl Harbor was attacked we honor those fallen troops as well. Oh wait nvm that never happened right?

America has never had attacks placed on its own soil accept the world trade centers are no longer there. The pentagon was hit. Wait those just fell over.

It seems

[Daitengu]

Well i guess you have your scapegoat for the world sucking? It is all America's fault. Wow hey you stubbed your to today it is the americans fault you can not walk. You are rediculous and extreme.

The western world is more than the USA. And my point is actually the opposite. I say sentient beings are responsible for their actions -> no scapegoat. Is that extreme? I dont know. Ridiculous no.

[Ivan_Milic]

So terrorists attack your country and you kill civilians,Hiroshima,Nagasaki,Iraq etc.
Atomic bomb was very tactical way of avoiding civilian casualties.

[Elation]

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=107424

Do you know anything about this other then what the article says?

[Luxgolg]

Interesting way of remembering...by fighting with eachother.

[Elation]

The western world is more than the USA. And my point is actually the opposite. I say sentient beings are responsible for their actions -> no scapegoat. Is that extreme? I dont know. Ridiculous no.

Then what do you care if a sentient being chooses to remember those who died over in Germany or at Pearl Harbor. Also then why are you posting if each person is individually responsiple for every action.

[Elation]

So terrorists attack your country and you kill civilians,Hiroshima,Nagasaki,Iraq etc.
Atomic bomb was very tactical way of avoiding civilian casualties.

Hey Hiroshima Nagasaki they was a response to Pearl Harbor look it up. When has Iraq been attacked with nuclear weapons?

YOUR point has nothing to do with remember falling soldiers. Just remember you support an american made game. LOL