A time out for the troops :)

[Elation]

Figured I'd just ring in since I AM Ex-Military (I wasn't a soldier, I was a scientist R&D) the majority of people I met in the military were former schoolyard bullies or cons who were serving in the military instead of in jail. As for War itself I really don't see why that should be honored...I can understand the people who got conscripted in the old times and had no choice but nowadays its a just another job...one that happens to come with danger pay....but there's PLENTY of civilian jobs that come with that as well.

Everyone dreams of flying across the Galaxy in a enterprise-esque ship but thats never going to happen until we stop killing each other.

Hey you from Canada did you guys celebrate your memorial day last week? I know you did, lol. This has nothing to do with honoring war, It honors those that fell. Your opinion of who serves in the army can you please post what unit you where in so we can let them know they are all most likely Ex Cons or school yard bullies, ah and since you were with them are you an Ex Con or School Yard Bully?

[Daitengu]

Do you honestly think a German soldier has the ability to decide if they individually want to invade a country?

Yes, you are not forced to be a soldier. If you don not want to do it, cancel the job.

[Izzban]

So, should i start posting at general DDO forums about my own county's fallen "heroes" that died while killing other people? None cares about your vets bro.

If you would bother to state your country, heritage, or religion, we could then honor your fallen troops as well.

And you are sadly mistaken that no one cares about American vets. You may not honor your fallen, but we do.

[Chauncey1]

Oh boy, this thread is gonna get nasty.

[Elation]

Yes, you are not forced to be a soldier. If you don not want to do it, cancel the job.

Oh man you do not know very much about this do you? Hey by the way I do not like what my orders are i quite "LOL" pretty sure that does not work in the German military either.

[Izzban]

Yes, you are not forced to be a soldier. If you don not want to do it, cancel the job.

You can't cancel being a soldier on a whim, as you well know. You are just being obstinate now, just admit that soldiers follow orders and that those who GIVE the orders are responsible. Why are you so against that?

[Elation]

Oh boy, this thread is gonna get nasty.

SAD is it not. All this because someone said thank you to those that have fallen while serving their country wherever that country maybe located.

[Failedlegend]

Hey you from Canada did you guys celebrate your memorial day last week? I know you did, lol. This has nothing to do with honoring war, It honors those that fell. Your opinion of who serves in the army can you please post what unit you where in so we can let them know they are all most likely Ex Cons or school yard bullies, ah and since you were with them are you an Ex Con or School Yard Bully?

I'm sorry but plenty of people die doing their job due to mishaps...like window washers cart line snaps, bus driver gets hit by semi running a red light, construction worker gets zapped by a supposed "dead" wire I don't see them getting honored.

Like I said I honor the people who were FORCED to join the military...nowadays its just another job.

[ric0]

Service personel always have a duty to not follow anything that could be considered to be illegal or immoral orders, but they better be damb sure they are in the right before doing so, if not the results would not be pretty.

[Daitengu]

You can't cancel being a soldier on a whim, as you well know. You are just being obstinate now, just admit that soldiers follow orders and that those who GIVE the orders are responsible. Why are you so against that?

Because its wrong. Everybody is responsible for his own actions.

[Alaria_the_LoneWolf]

If you would bother to state your country, heritage, or religion, we could then honor your fallen troops as well.

And you are sadly mistaken that no one cares about American vets. You may not honor your fallen, but we do.

Ok, ok , i can understand that. But plz dont here
Try this http://www.veteransforum.us/

[Elation]

Because its wrong. Everybody is responsible for his own actions.

Have you ever served in your countries Military?

[Chauncey1]

Service personel always have a duty to not follow anything that could be considered to be illegal or immoral orders, but they better be damb sure they are in the right before doing so, if not the results would not be pretty.

Even if they are in the right, the results are not often pretty.

BTW.

I support the troops. In fact I support them so much, I want them all to come home now.

This will be my last post in this thread.

Later folks.

[rnor6084]

Oh boy, this thread is gonna get nasty.

It did not have to. Some folks are so full of anger they cannot help themselves.

Anger that is directed in the wrong direction. People should be angry at the politicians that start the wars.

[Daitengu]

Have you ever served in your countries Military?

Yes I had to (unfortunately).

[Elation]

I'm sorry but plenty of people die doing their job due to mishaps...like window washers cart line snaps, bus driver gets hit by semi running a red light, construction worker gets zapped by a supposed "dead" wire I don't see them getting honored.

Like I said I honor the people who were FORCED to join the military...nowadays its just another job.

Then honor them! No one is stopping you. Its not just a job to some of us. I served as well no one i served with was an Ex Con, school yard bully not sure about was not with them in school. You can honor who you like no one is stopping you. Are you canadian? Did you honor those that had to serve your country last week?

[Elation]

Yes I had to (unfortunately).

Did you follow the orders you where given? If you chose not to follow theose orders what would happen?

[Ivan_Milic]

so, why are you chiming in then in a thread that in your opinion does not belong here? Also, for a lot of Americans it is a highly emotional topic, if you want to criticize american foreign policy, go complain on some news site.

Why not,if he can post thread in general discussion then so can I post here.
If you want to say thank you to american troops go find appropriate sites.

So you are blaming someone who has to do what they are told to do for doing what they are told to do?

Do you feel you should be the one to get the shotgun to the face if you worked at a bank which told you to not give a man his money when he came in asking for it? I mean, you applied for that job, so anything you do at the job, even if told to do it, is YOUR fault and you must be held accountable for it.

Seriously, I know you don't think that way, nobody in their right mind does....

I aint blaming them,they decided to join to army,their choice,no reason to thank them,if they were defending your home country then thank them,not for invading other countries.
I would give him the money,cant put price on life.

[rnor6084]

I'm sorry but plenty of people die doing their job due to mishaps...like window washers cart line snaps, bus driver gets hit by semi running a red light, construction worker gets zapped by a supposed "dead" wire I don't see them getting honored.

Like I said I honor the people who were FORCED to join the military...nowadays its just another job.

LOL. Go ask a Iraq and Afghan war vet who has been on 4 or 5 tours of duty if what he does is "just another job". You are wrong. "Just another job" does not involve an average life expectancy of 7 seconds or getting shot at on a daily basis.

[Daitengu]

Did you follow the orders you where given? If you chose not to follow theose orders what would happen?

Yes I followed most of them. (But my orders had nothing to do with a war.) The consequences of not following depended on the orders. You could got jail in the worst case. But sometimes this can be better than following the orders.