Shroud Grief

[enteriiblackwater]

Methinks someone needs some cheese..

Ent

[Merrelll]

I highly doubt they will honor your request since the Shroud was, y'know, intended to be completed. This is tantamount to asking them to make it so that every quest has a pick-up or interactible that you use to finish the quest, so you can invite people in for teh epic lootz or free xp.

This.

[Gkar]

Can you guys PLEASE add a two minute timer after the last part of the shroud when he dies?
I am REALLY REALLY tired of stupid people hitting the altar and griefing everyone who is trying to leave.

I was in mid ddoor out when someone did it today, so i lost out on two chests and have to wait for timer because some little snot nosed kid thinks its funny to cause grief for everyone else.

One person should not be allowed to mess things up for everyone else in the raid.

Don't Ddoor. Ever. People used to do that due to a bug in the game that didn't send them back to Meridia on recall. That bug is gone, STOP IT. Using the Ddoor is what allows griefing.

Just recall or /death or TP. It's a much quicker exist. And, as others have said, unless the group is near wipe and absolutely need you, recall when he's ALMOST dead.

In a worst case senerio, if during a recall they complete it you can cancel and still get the chests. When you ddoor you can get both completion against your will and no chests. The worst of all worlds.

Frankly a manditory timer to allow people to not follow the game mechanic doesn't interest me. Most raids would complete when he dies so you already have a bonus chance to get out.

[Uska]

NO I dont want to wait 2minutes when there are easier soultions and the quest should complete when harry is dead anyways.

[Dragavon]

Can you guys PLEASE add a two minute timer after the last part of the shroud when he dies?
I am REALLY REALLY tired of stupid people hitting the altar and griefing everyone who is trying to leave.

I was in mid ddoor out when someone did it today, so i lost out on two chests and have to wait for timer because some little snot nosed kid thinks its funny to cause grief for everyone else.

One person should not be allowed to mess things up for everyone else in the raid.

Why do you use dimension door?

It is just as fast to recall out normally, and you can interrupt that if someone clicks the altar before you leave the quest. Then you are can get your chests if someone are too impatient to wait. Using dimension door is no longer needed, as you now recall to Meridia and not Stormreach anymore.

[hecate355]

they could remove first portal closing bs tho. Make it not possible to re enter if that bothers.

Would be cool to start clearing the raid once you get bunch of people rather than sitting and waiting to step in at almost same time.

'Heya, how far in are you?'

"We are before part 3, come on jump inside'

Whats so horribly bad about that?

[TasMagar]

Can you guys PLEASE add a two minute timer after the last part of the shroud when he dies?
I am REALLY REALLY tired of stupid people hitting the altar and griefing everyone who is trying to leave.

I was in mid ddoor out when someone did it today, so i lost out on two chests and have to wait for timer because some little snot nosed kid thinks its funny to cause grief for everyone else.

One person should not be allowed to mess things up for everyone else in the raid.

when Harry is at 15% change your location and go and stand somewhere , where you can see both harry and the altar . Harry at 5% lock your gaze on the altar and see who clicks on it . Then squelch and profit !!

[JamnJD]

The only reason you should be trying to not complete for is because you are desperate for a shard of power (usually supreme). There are much more efficient ways to make money and just buy the large ingredients you need instead of wasting 45 mins for a chance at one large.

Well, not the only reason... This raid is a great place to farm for loot for deconstructing (cannith crafting) as well as farming for guild renown. Without completion, you still get 10 chests to loot. Not bad And not everyone has a few capped toons to always complete this raid and still farm for essences/renown.

...J

[axel15810]

Agreed. When I got my 1st toon to shroud I almost never completed for a while. I recalled out of almost every shroud until I got enough small and med ingreds for my 1st GS weapon and 1st GS item. There's several reasons not to complete...some people here may not remember what it's like to have only 1 toon at shroud and no plat saved up.

But I agree with other posters about the main topic. It's not too hard to run away to a corner and recall.

[PopeJual]

Can you guys PLEASE add a two minute timer after the last part of the shroud when he dies?
I am REALLY REALLY tired of stupid people hitting the altar and griefing everyone who is trying to leave.

I was in mid ddoor out when someone did it today, so i lost out on two chests and have to wait for timer because some little snot nosed kid thinks its funny to cause grief for everyone else.

One person should not be allowed to mess things up for everyone else in the raid.

I agree with this. I also want a 2 minute timer added to the Mephit, Thirsty One and General chests in the desert so that other players have to wait for me to get into the wilderness zone so that I can loot them when I'm still attacking the training dummy while they're killlng undead.

Also, we need a 2 minute timer after lighting candles, before singing Happy Birthday at birthday parties in case there is a good play going on the game I'm watching in the other room during the party.

Finally, we need a 2 minute timer after I start talking to a girl at a party so that she has to stick around and listen to my cool stories before is allowed to leave and start talking to people that she actually finds interesting.

/signed SO MUCH for the OP!

[Burtle]

[Izzban]

I'd like to see them add the dimensional anchor spell to part 5 of the Shroud that way people will have to learn to /death or recall out. Ddooring is the worst way to leave the Shroud. You have to go through 2 loading screens to leave when you ddoor and you don't show on the map while in the loading screen so it can appear that you are already out when you are not. Your delaying the entire party that much longer by ddooring and the ddoorer has more chances to get put on 3 day timer without any loot. Just /recall or /death when Harry's at 5%.

YOUR computer might take longer to run through 2 loading screens than the recall timer, but MINE does not. Players assume things based on their personal experience. Your milage may vary, bud.

BTW, communication will win every time. Just sayin'....

[Teharahma]

Can you guys PLEASE add a two minute timer after the last part of the shroud when he dies?
I am REALLY REALLY tired of stupid people hitting the altar and griefing everyone who is trying to leave.

I was in mid ddoor out when someone did it today, so i lost out on two chests and have to wait for timer because some little snot nosed kid thinks its funny to cause grief for everyone else.

One person should not be allowed to mess things up for everyone else in the raid.

Ignorance is bliss.

/death for the win, or don't be an arse and just complete like everyone else. Get your 20th.

[PopeJual]

YOUR computer might take longer to run through 2 loading screens than the recall timer, but MINE does not. Players assume things based on their personal experience. Your milage may vary, bud.

BTW, communication will win every time. Just sayin'....

Even if your computer takes a couple of milliseconds less to DDoor than it takes to recall, why would you ever even consider it when you have the potential to get both a completion AND lose your end chests. Especially, when there are people who see a DDoor as a giant, flashing sign that says, "CLICK ALTAR NAO!!!1!"

/death is faster than both. When Harry is slivered, you can /death and you're guaranteed a clean escape.


...or were you worried about handing the party a -10% because of your death?

[Ivan_Milic]

Stop using ddoor.

[mobrien316]

I would not like to see a timer.


It already takes way to long most of the time. Harry dies, and three or four DDoors go up, and someone asks "Is anyone leaving?"

99% of the time there is no answer. No answer on voice, no answer in chat. But because so many people have thrown so many tantrums over the years about people hitting the altar too early, nobody does.

"Is anyone leaving?"

"Is anyone leaving?"

(Then comes the most excruciating ten seconds in the game... Wait for it...)

"Hitting the altar in 10"

"9"

"8"

"7"

"6"

"5"

"4"

"3"

"2"

"1"

"I hope everyone is out. Hitting the altar now." And FINALLY the altar is clicked.


I have always looked at it from the point of view that if someone wants to leave without a completion, it is their responsibility to let the party know. It should not be the party's responsibility to wait and wait and wait in case someone is leaving but refuses to say anything or let anyone know.

If you are trying to leave before the completion, say or type something. Then get the heck out and drop group so everyone knows you are gone and we can hit the **** altar.

In my Shrouds I will generally ask (and type) at the altar in part four if anyone is leaving. If no one answers the altar is getting clicked immediately after Harry dies in part 5. At least half the time someone still complains...

[xPhoxhoundx]

The problem is im a fighter so i get interrupted if i try your suggestions, </snip>

^Since the above image isnt working for everyone: http://ddowiki.com/images/Item_Royal_Guard_Mask_.jpg

[Narmolanya]

I have seen more players accidentally click on a badly placed d-door and loose out on the chests they wanted from completion than I have ever seen griefed by someone clicking on the alter early. D-door is compleatly unnessacery in the shroud, there are much quicker and safer ways to get out as many have explained in this thread. Adding a timer before clicking the alter is unnessacery.

[cpito]

Feeling griefed does not equal actually being griefed.

Most points have been covered well but this needs to be stressed:

BTW, communication will win every time. Just sayin'....

If you're looking for a specific shard then vocalizing what you're looking for usually gets you what you need and then some.

If you're looking for lg ing. there are plenty of alternate locations to farm them.

[PopeJual]

The problem is im a fighter so i get interrupted if i try your suggestions, and if i back up and do that before he is dead it feels like im basically saying "im outta here at 10% so i dont care if you actually get the kill"

Easy solution for that: stop feeling bad for backing out.

You are not carrying the party. Even a Cleric/FvS can /death when Harry is slivered and the party will still complete. It's okay to leave when Harry is slivered. You did enough.

Back out and /death. As long as you mentioned that you were planning to do that (maybe after part 4), no one will have any hard feelings over it.