Win8 + DDO

[Rhysem]

Anyone tried running DDO in the Win8 consumer preview? Totally unsupported, preview, I know, I know, allright?

I can tell you it runs, but I'm getting the DX10/DX11 choices greyed out in the options. I tried updating DX from msft and doing the ddo graphics settings reset. No dice. DX9 only.

I ... should also mention that Win8 happens to be in a Xen VM, but I've got it with vt-d/io virt running, passing a 5800 series graphics board through to the native ATI drivers. I figure I'll boot up a win7 vm and test it, but also figured I'd put the discussion out there.

[Rhysem]

Happens in 7 too, guess its something about virtualization. That's a bother.

[Rhysem]

Solved!

Deleting userpreferences.ini and launching the game popped up an "enable dx11?" dialog. Said yes, now its available. Still running in a VM.

Awesome.

[ShadowFlash]

This is in XenDesktop? what build? time to renew my developer key i guess, as VMware has been my go-to choice for a while

Edit: Tell me much more Palease! Served or local? what hardware? Only a hobby for me (but consider myself mildly proficient) so lay it all out for me if you have time. All virtualized, or seperate storage and provisioning servers? I have VERY powerful hardware, so I'm VERY interested in your set-up, as my end-goal is to provide DDO (and other games) provisioning to at least 4 terminals, while running at least 2 media servers as well. Not often I find someone as whacko as me in virtualization

ShadowFlash

[ShadowFlash]

My biggest problem with virtualizing DDO was in mouse cursor control...I.E..right click to control camera angle was hectic at best. I managed to tweak this in VMware down to a minimum, but had zero luck in Xen last time I tried. Any glitches you've experienced so far? I'm literally so excited someone else does this crazy , that I told my wife, the servers will be down this weekend for testing I would love any details you could provide...I haven't worked with Xen since 4.5, and never had access to 3d Pro, as it was still in early stages and above my developer grade at the time. I also have to renew my MSDN licsense now as well, if I know there's hope it works

ShadowFlash

[fco-karatekid]

This is in XenDesktop? what build? time to renew my developer key i guess, as VMware has been my go-to choice for a while

Edit: Tell me much more Palease! Served or local? what hardware? Only a hobby for me (but consider myself mildly proficient) so lay it all out for me if you have time. All virtualized, or seperate storage and provisioning servers? I have VERY powerful hardware, so I'm VERY interested in your set-up, as my end-goal is to provide DDO (and other games) provisioning to at least 4 terminals, while running at least 2 media servers as well. Not often I find someone as whacko as me in virtualization

ShadowFlash

that'd solve my current quandry - reducing the amount of TSA proctology when travelling... XenDesktop an instance with the client and play on the small screen instead of laptop... there's a use case I hadn't contemplated.

[ShadowFlash]

that'd solve my current quandry - reducing the amount of TSA proctology when travelling... XenDesktop an instance with the client and play on the small screen instead of laptop... there's a use case I hadn't contemplated.

and gets DDO off my works computer, as I have a VPN tunnel to home anyhow Lag starts being a factor in these cases though. I'm more interested in home use, as I invest greatly in my 2 servers, but my terminals are old dual xeon P4's (meeting the aero req). I can stream desktops via Xen if I want too, but performance is better just running native on the older hardware last time I tried it (about 1-1/2 years ago). Locally, with a triple monitor set-up and VMware workstation and USB-over-Network, I'm able to run 3 independant instances (each with there own keyboard and mouse) off the main server. This ties everything up pretty quick with lag and VMware's network driver's, so my media servers have to run off a seperate box. I've recently aquired a whole set of fresh hardware and have been putting off a master household reformat until I have spare time, and this throws a giant monkey wrench into my plan

ShadowFlash

[fco-karatekid]

and gets DDO off my works computer, as I have a VPN tunnel to home anyhow Lag starts being a factor in these cases though. I'm more interested in home use, as I invest greatly in my 2 servers, but my terminals are old dual xeon P4's (meeting the aero req). I can stream desktops via Xen if I want too, but performance is better just running native on the older hardware last time I tried it (about 1-1/2 years ago). Locally, with a triple monitor set-up and VMware workstation and USB-over-Network, I'm able to run 3 independant instances (each with there own keyboard and mouse) off the main server. This ties everything up pretty quick with lag and VMware's network driver's, so my media servers have to run off a seperate box. I've recently aquired a whole set of fresh hardware and have been putting off a master household reformat until I have spare time, and this throws a giant monkey wrench into my plan

ShadowFlash

Just so we're clear (and one person prior to me asked, as well) - you're meaning Citrix XenDesktop OR Opensuse's Xen virtualization?

[ShadowFlash]

Just so we're clear (and one person prior to me asked, as well) - you're meaning Citrix XenDesktop OR Opensuse's Xen virtualization?

One person prior to you? feelin' quite alone in this thread me, you, and the OP...I was referring to Citrix Xen(insert flavor here). You make a good point though...it's been even longer since I've messed around trying to get off the MS , and suse was my 1st choice then (as it's the only linux distro that supports my quad socket rig AFAIK). I just felt like such an idiot trying to learn it, I gave up almost immediatley....which I should feel embarassed about, as I grew up in the DOS world...

Even if it's the suse way, I'd love to re-visit the "cube" and run SLED on my main server if it's possible there. It's not that I'm unhappy with MS, just that the footprint is so large for what I need to do.

ShadowFlash

[fco-karatekid]

One person prior to you? feelin' quite alone in this thread me, you, and the OP...I was referring to Citrix Xen(insert flavor here). You make a good point though...it's been even longer since I've messed around trying to get off the MS , and suse was my 1st choice then (as it's the only linux distro that supports my quad socket rig AFAIK). I just felt like such an idiot trying to learn it, I gave up almost immediatley....which I should feel embarassed about, as I grew up in the DOS world...

Even if it's the suse way, I'd love to re-visit the "cube" and run SLED on my main server if it's possible there. It's not that I'm unhappy with MS, just that the footprint is so large for what I need to do.

ShadowFlash

Actually, the post was you, but by the time I was writing, I didn't wanna go back and figure out who posted the question on which Xen build (which I misinterpreted anyway). I booted windows years ago due to an incident at work - figured if they wouldn't support a Fortune X company, they certainly weren't gonna support a consumer.

I tried SuSe Xen and found it unwieldy - getting into XenDesktop more as of this year.

[ShadowFlash]

Actually, the post was you, but by the time I was writing, I didn't wanna go back and figure out who posted the question on which Xen build (which I misinterpreted anyway). I booted windows years ago due to an incident at work - figured if they wouldn't support a Fortune X company, they certainly weren't gonna support a consumer.

I tried SuSe Xen and found it unwieldy - getting into XenDesktop more as of this year.

Citrix Xen is a tough nut to crack for me. There developer access (read: free 1 year trial) is a wierd system based off something or another...all I know is I'm sporatically "upgraded" in status. They have ZERO worthwhile consumer products, and the licsencing is so unbelievably expensive for the "real" stuff (read: 3d Pro) it alienates small business from even trying the product (Small CAD/CAM shop who would actually BUY this if it did what we need). It works, but it dosn't play nicely with the other children (last time I tried VMware and XENapp BARELY got along on WIN2003 Server).

I'm stubborn, and have yet to go to 2008r2 Hyper-V, as I haven't heard any positive results in the homebrew arena. I would LOVE to run a "bare-metal" approach also, but different apps require different VM strategies only MS can currently provide.

I run a quad, quad-core Tyan FT48 ATM, and can't help thinking so much is wasted due to poor graphical virtualization. Like I said, I'm just a hobbyist "noob" with a vision for viable home virtualization...sucks maintaining 6 computers when a virtualization server and a slew of cheap terminals "should" be able to handle the measly requirenments of DDO and like games...of course, for me CAD/CAM is also a priority, as I often do work at home.

I'd love to "talk-shop", so if any of this makes sense to you or others out there, feel free to PM me or what-not

ShadowFlash

[Rhysem]

Yay, the forums will finally let me post:

I'm using standard free Xen. I actually got Win8 working today, DX11 graphics and all. Did an upgrade from win7.

Basic setup:

Intel DZ77BH-55K
Core i7-3770 (no K. Important!)
16 gigs of memory (hey it was cheap. Also linux is good at caching disk pages, so after the first time you load its is very fast to load a second+ time.)
Various storage options, mainly a pair of ssds. Small one for linux system, larger one for windows. LVM on both.
Onboard Intel HD graphics (for linux)
Discrete Radeon 7870 (Diamond Multimedia -- needed a reference board with cooler at the far end of card for my case's airflow needs)
Discrete Asus Xonar DX sound board (I have read the creative boards don't work, drivers don't support vt-d)

[Rhysem]

And it won't let me post the other half of the instructions. Not in edit, not as new reply. I wonder what's bad with my other half of the text...

In any case, important part: don't use virt-manager to make the VM. Do it by hand. Virt-manager doesn't set all the options right.