Arcane Augmentation + Abishai Set

[Azre]

I have a question for those who have both the abishai set + arcane augmentation.

Does your DoT's increase in caster level?.

I just recently upgraded abbot robe on my wizard, and even though he can cast caster level 24 evocation spells (polar ray, etc.), DoT's are only casted at caster level 23.

It's very confusing, any one has any ideas?.

Thanks.

[Alex301]

The level 5 dots (niac's biting cold and eladar's electric surge) have a maximum caster level of 20. Unless you're a sorcerer, i don't think there is anyway to increase it so, whilst you may be able to cast them at a higher caster level, their damage is capped at caster level 20.

In short, a caster level above 20 makes no difference to your DoTs.

[knockcocker]

The level 5 dots (niac's biting cold and eladar's electric surge) have a maximum caster level of 20. Unless you're a sorcerer, i don't think there is anyway to increase it so, whilst you may be able to cast them at a higher caster level, their damage is capped at caster level 20.

In short, a caster level above 20 makes no difference to your DoTs.

Even if you're a sorcerer they are capped at 20.

[Azre]

The level 5 dots (niac's biting cold and eladar's electric surge) have a maximum caster level of 20. Unless you're a sorcerer, i don't think there is anyway to increase it so, whilst you may be able to cast them at a higher caster level, their damage is capped at caster level 20.

In short, a caster level above 20 makes no difference to your DoTs.

That just sucks, it's worse than trying to figure out why mass heal > heal. lol.

Thank's for the input, saves me a lot of grinding since i wont try to get a Staff of Arcane Power now.

[Trasak]

Even if you're a sorcerer they are capped at 20.

If your Air or Ice Sorcerer your same flavor dot is capped at 23 rather than 20 but you have a built in +6 caster level so the item still doesn't do anything.

[knockcocker]

If your Air or Ice Sorcerer your same flavor dot is capped at 23 rather than 20 but you have a built in +6 caster level so the item still doesn't do anything.

No it's not. It's capped at 20 regardless.

[Alex301]

Even if you're a sorcerer they are capped at 20.

The sorcerer savant enhancements increase the maximum caster for spells of that element by 1 each time for a total of +3 maximum caster level with the savant III enhancement. In addition, the tod sets can increase the maximum caster level of spells by 2 if you have the savant III enhancement for that set. E.g. if you are a water savant with the water savant tod set then you can increase the maximum caster level of niac's biting cold by 5 for a maximum caster of 25.

[Isharah]

Does your DoT's increase in caster level?.

With arcane augmentation viii or higher, your black dragon bolt will be casted at level 22 (assuming you are not earth savant).

AFAIK, the only spells that inherently cap beyond 20 are black dragon bolt and polar ray, but black dragon bolt is conjuration so it doesn't benefit from your abishai set.

Cheers.

[knockcocker]

The sorcerer savant enhancements increase the maximum caster for spells of that element by 1 each time for a total of +3 maximum caster level with the savant III enhancement. In addition, the tod sets can increase the maximum caster level of spells by 2 if you have the savant III enhancement for that set. E.g. if you are a water savant with the water savant tod set then you can increase the maximum caster level of niac's biting cold by 5 for a maximum caster of 25.

Yeah, I have three Sorcerer lives at the moment plus three other level 20 sorcerers so...

Prove it and provide screenshots please.

The reason why I *know* it's capped at 20 is I've actually tested it. A lot.

[Simplesimon1979]

Yeah, I have three Sorcerer lives at the moment plus three other level 20 sorcerers so...

Prove it and provide screenshots please.

The reason why I *know* it's capped at 20 is I've actually tested it. A lot.

Three Sorcerer lives and you still don't know how the Pre works

http://ddowiki.com/page/Water_Savant_enhancements

[Mubjon]

Three Sorcerer lives and you still don't know how the Pre works

http://ddowiki.com/page/Water_Savant_enhancements

I have found the wiki to be false in a lot of the information presented. It is a nice site for getting quest info, but hardly great for information about the content of the game concerning classes or prestige classes

[knockcocker]

Three Sorcerer lives and you still don't know how the Pre works

http://ddowiki.com/page/Water_Savant_enhancements

I know *exactly* how the PRE works which is different to how it's stated to work. If you think the
+3MCL from Air Savant III or Water Savant III applies to Eladar's/Niac's respectively, then you are
mistaken.

Prove that this works then I'll humbly apologize. The reason why I am so strident is that I know for
an absolute fact that it does not.

Also, as you're clearly such a big fan of the veracity of the wiki:

http://ddowiki.com/page/Niac%27s_Biting_Cold

[Alex301]

Yeah, I have three Sorcerer lives at the moment plus three other level 20 sorcerers so...

Prove it and provide screenshots please.

The reason why I *know* it's capped at 20 is I've actually tested it. A lot.

If this is true then ty for pointing it out. I merely assumed that the savants were working as the dev's intended. How naive of me

This also significantly lessens the dps difference i thought there was between sorcerers and wizards. Since most of my damage against bosses seems to come from my dots then you're really only looking at the 8% difference from the capstone and possibly the elemental weakness debuff.

[Simplesimon1979]

so it's bugged atm. If they ever get around to fixing it then it would have it's lvl increased to 23 with the right savant

[knockcocker]

If this is true then ty for pointing it out. I merely assumed that the savants were working as the dev's intended. How naive of me

This also significantly lessens the dps difference i thought there was between sorcerers and wizards. Since most of my damage against bosses seems to come from my dots then you're really only looking at the 8% difference from the capstone and possibly the elemental weakness debuff.

Yep, I've logged several bugs on it (along with Cone of Cold not scaling past 15d3 + 45). It's pretty annoying.

These spells are really easy to test as they have such a low variable range (1D6). If you turn off all metas and
remove all boosting gear (such that it's enhancements (50%) * Bloodline of Power only - (1.5 * 1.2)), the range
is 37 - 46. 37 would be impossible if the addition to maximum caster level was working. I've tried this on a Water
Savant with max. electric as secondary and vice versa. The base damage never went outside the 37 - 46
range for *both* spells regardless of Savant type.

[DarkForte]

Backing data is here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=365802. I retract my previous statement.