archer dps?

[FalexiaSutter]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. So here is what I'm looking at. I have 7 feats + 7 bonus fighter feats.

thealmightykuku had what i was thinking feat-wise after reading other people's thoughts.

1/14 - mental toughness
3/14 - weapon focus (melee + ranged)
5/14 - weapon specialization (melee + ranged)
7/14 - greater weapon specialization (melee + ranged)
9/14 - improved critical (melee + ranged)
12/14 - point blank + precise shot + improved precise shot
13/14 - greater two-weapon-fighting
14/14 - toughness

And if I do feel like taking khopesh, i could swap out toughness, or the greater weapon specialization that isn't for my kensei enhancement. I dont mind being a little squishier. I feel like this is a good mix. Thanks everyone. Cheers.

[ShadowFlash]

Just gonna throw this out here, as it's very similar to my wife's current project. I adjusted tomes down to the bare minimum, abd there is A LOT of room for growth via higher tomes and exceptional gear.

32-point build
Tomes Required =
+1 STR,CON,and DEX (easy to aquire while leveling and not essential for progression)
+2 INT (this one is almost needed to fit in skills, and probablly should be taken at 7)

FTP Classes/Race
Easy Leveling
Easy Gearing
Full Rogue Skills
Imp. Uncanny Dodge
+6/+6 Rage (duration long enough for manyshot,melee,manyshot again)
Evasion
Very Nice HP for a "squishy elf AA"
Full Archery Feats including Imp. Precise Shot
Full TWF line
Both Imp. Crit (bow and rapier)
Power Attack
Haste Boost I
Damage Boost III
wiggle room to adjust AP's

Pretty much everything you need to Melee effectively, Burst AA effectively, and Rogue Skills.

The whole reasoning behind this is Helve's don't trap and gaining a Ranger Past Life, which was my wife's requirements. The problem I found when working with modifying a helves build, is things just don't come out as well as the original. I think this provides a nice easy to play and level balanced build....

ShadowFlash

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(8 Barbarian \ 1 Rogue \ 11 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 362
Spell Points: 250 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 16
Will: 4

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 22                   22
Dexterity            15                 16                   20
Constitution         15                 17                   18
Intelligence         12                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               6                 12                   12
Bluff                -1                 -1                   -1
Concentration         2                 19                   19
Diplomacy            -1                 -1                   -1
Disable Device        5                 25                   25
Haggle               -1                 -1                   -1
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  2                  5                    5
Intimidate           -1                 -1                   -1
Jump                  7                 10                   10
Listen                3                  3                    5
Move Silently         2                  5                    5
Open Lock             6                  9                    9
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  2                    2
Search                5                 25                   27
Spot                  3                  9                   11
Swim                  6                  9                    9
Tumble                3                  6                    6
Use Magic Device      3                 22                   22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longbow
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Rage
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rage


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Damage Reduction
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III

Edit: posted some hodgepodge copy/paste on accident...lol

[Therigar]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. So here is what I'm looking at. I have 7 feats + 7 bonus fighter feats.

thealmightykuku had what i was thinking feat-wise after reading other people's thoughts.

1/14 - mental toughness
3/14 - weapon focus (melee + ranged)
5/14 - weapon specialization (melee + ranged)
7/14 - greater weapon specialization (melee + ranged)
9/14 - improved critical (melee + ranged)
12/14 - point blank + precise shot + improved precise shot
13/14 - greater two-weapon-fighting
14/14 - toughness

And if I do feel like taking khopesh, i could swap out toughness, or the greater weapon specialization that isn't for my kensei enhancement. I dont mind being a little squishier. I feel like this is a good mix. Thanks everyone. Cheers.

For IPS you need to push DEX to 19 and cannot use enhancements to get there. That means siphoning off either build points to raise DEX to a minimum of 16 at start (presumes a +3 DEX tome) or spending stat increases which robs STR and hurts melee.

There are very few places where IPS will be of value and many where the small increase in added damage and to hit will matter in melee. Over the course of time the extra damage done in melee will almost certainly outweigh any damage done with IPS.

I really believe IPS is a much over-hyped feat and not worth it in terms of build points or even with siphoning off stat increases away from STR. But, it is your character and you have to be happy with it -- not me.

So, go build it and have fun with it. Best of luck.

[wax_on_wax_off]

For IPS you need to push DEX to 19 and cannot use enhancements to get there. That means siphoning off either build points to raise DEX to a minimum of 16 at start (presumes a +3 DEX tome) or spending stat increases which robs STR and hurts melee.

There are very few places where IPS will be of value and many where the small increase in added damage and to hit will matter in melee. Over the course of time the extra damage done in melee will almost certainly outweigh any damage done with IPS.

I really believe IPS is a much over-hyped feat and not worth it in terms of build points or even with siphoning off stat increases away from STR. But, it is your character and you have to be happy with it -- not me.

So, go build it and have fun with it. Best of luck.

I've had an arcane archer without IPS. Never again.

[JasonJi72]

I've had an arcane archer without IPS. Never again.

My thoughts exactly.

[grandeibra]

ye IPS is actually underhyped imo.

[goodspeed]

Ya definitely manyshoting through multiple **** can jack up ur dps. But for a ranged ranger, monk splash no contest. Some good hearted coder took a sucky enhancment like 10k stars and breathed life into it making it useable with arrows. Further enhancing it by zen archery.

A monk is truly an archer now. And not a bad brawler either.