Streak effects on Clerics.

[jellyfish21]

It is now a very, very big drag to play a cleric what-so-ever because of the maddness of the Streak bonus. Something has to be done about it.

[Habreno]

Simple. Clerics can't be idiots.

[kclark1980]

The same could be said for the rest of the party also. If you want to do it on elite be willing to go at the pace of the cleric of run the risk of watching your stone spin around in a nice circle.

I play a cleric most of the time and let people know when I join that I am a methodical player and will not tolerate zergers or mass pulls. If they have a problem with it then they wait for another cleric and I go about my business. About half of the time after about 5-10 mins I get a tell from the person asking me to come heal and that they will go slow. I am more then happy to do it on elite I loved my streak also before I hit 20. If I need to use an SP pot then you are not doing your jobs as DPS or CC and I will make it well known but I always keep a few with me for just in case screw ups. They happen I got over it a long time ago.

I will say this also. If you are a cleric and want to do it on a lower difficulty then make your own LFM and set the difficulty you want to do it on.

[jellyfish21]

The current head count of players level 17 - 20 are thus:

Cleric 8
Paladin 20
Barbarian 18
Favored Soul 15
Artificer 12
Wizard 28
Fighters 31
Sorcerers 12
Rogues 36

Those are all single and multiclass characters.

Eight, eight, saying again, EIGHT clerics.

[jellyfish21]

Simple. Clerics can't be idiots.

Simple. Please stop calling people names. You infer the person playing the clerics are idiots. How terrible is that? The guys and gals that are the back-bone of every raid and successful elite group all need and deserve more respect than that.

[Habreno]

Simple. Please stop calling people names. You infer the person playing the clerics are idiots. How terrible is that? The guys and gals that are the back-bone of every raid and successful elite group all need and deserve more respect than that.

It's a 100% fact, one I know since my main *IS* a Cleric.


A Cleric that is an idiot will always be in trouble, sacraficing fun, plat, and even TP for this streak which they should not either have or use. If they cannot handle it, perfectly know this, and do it anyway, they are idiots.

Simple as that.


One that is not an idiot will not join groups that are trouble, have fun, experiences, and save their plat and TP for other purchases. They know what they can handle and while occasionally challenging themselves do not do things they know they simply cannot do.

[AtomicMew]

Wrong. Streak effect on clerics is the same as it is on every other class: awesome. Why would you think that streak has a negative effect on clerics? That's just ?????? No words.

[kclark1980]

I think s/he is worried about the people that get into Elite streaks and don't pay attention to what is happening in the group. Some people get into that *ugg smash* or *pew pew pew* and forget about anything else like trying to mitigate or offset the incoming damage that makes the healers life hard.

S/he is saying that as a cleric the elite streak that makes things harder is making it to hard for the clerics to keep up.

I think this goes into many Many MANY different problems not just the elite streak. We have poor AC scaling, monster with huge amounts of HP, groups of monsters that are to large to take on reasonably, damage from the front line not being up to elite quality, level range restrictions and the list goes on and on.

It's not just about the elite streak it's many of the mechanics that make the clerics life very difficult to go into elite streaks with out a group that they know and in return know the clerics play style.

[AtomicMew]

I think s/he is worried about the people that get into Elite streaks and don't pay attention to what is happening in the group. Some people get into that *ugg smash* or *pew pew pew* and forget about anything else like trying to mitigate or offset the incoming damage that makes the healers life hard.

S/he is saying that as a cleric the elite streak that makes things harder is making it to hard for the clerics to keep up.

I think this goes into many Many MANY different problems not just the elite streak. We have poor AC scaling, monster with huge amounts of HP, groups of monsters that are to large to take on reasonably, damage from the front line not being up to elite quality, level range restrictions and the list goes on and on.

It's not just about the elite streak it's many of the mechanics that make the clerics life very difficult to go into elite streaks with out a group that they know and in return know the clerics play style.

Then don't join groups like that. Make your own non-elite group. Solo for a change. Wow, so hard.

[Buggss]

Then don't join groups like that. Make your own non-elite group. Solo for a change. Wow, so hard.

Actually it can be, experience has shown that any group showing normal or hard in the lfm takes a lot longer to fill than those with elite or BB/TR friendly in the title. Of course you might get lucky but that luck seems to diminish rapidly the higher your level goes as many people are far less forgiving.

[morticianjohn]

The current head count of players level 17 - 20 are thus:

Cleric 8
Paladin 20
Barbarian 18
Favored Soul 15
Artificer 12
Wizard 28
Fighters 31
Sorcerers 12
Rogues 36

Those are all single and multiclass characters.

Eight, eight, saying again, EIGHT clerics.

0 monks, 0 bards and 36 rogues what am I missing here this can not be accurate?

My guess is that you a.) forgot to include monks and b.) counted all multiclass characters once for each class

both of these things will skew the results of your findings not to mention the fact that you have such a small sample size (one snapshot during one minute doesn't tell the full story). Also these numbers suggest that 13% of those online are playing a heal capable toon (180 listed, 15 FvS and 8 clerics). That is at least one for every raid party (possibly two) which is frequently enough for things like normal shroud, etc...

In addition from many forum posts that I've read people like to go annon on their healers so they don't get tells so of those online who you can't see a higher percentage of those are going to be healers.

If you aren't doing elite for bravery then a hireling will be sufficient anyway so no need for a healer in my experience. What I've done the past few lives is cut off elite bravery after doing all of the vale quests once on elite and then I have no need to wait for a healer to fill my parties because the hirelings can handle anything below elite.

[axel15810]

I find that streak benefits divines more than any other class because they are so wanted in groups...you can get into any LFM you want almost. So that makes it easy to streak all your quests.

[jellyfish21]

Thanks everyone for replying. I especially wanted to thank Clark.

I guess the old ways of joining a party is not going to work. I'll have to be more thoughtful of the party make-up. I used to not worry about it. Maybe that will help the issue. If I perceive a lower power in the party, I'll have to be forth-coming to request a choice in a lower difficulty quest setting.

Perhaps some type of game wide education would help those of lesser power to select a more reasonable difficulty setting.

[PopeJual]

Actually it can be, experience has shown that any group showing normal or hard in the lfm takes a lot longer to fill than those with elite or BB/TR friendly in the title. Of course you might get lucky but that luck seems to diminish rapidly the higher your level goes as many people are far less forgiving.

On Normal or Hard, just put up an "IP" LFM and then jump into the quest and start. If someone joins before you finish, that's great. If not, then you get to do the quest more easily because of dungeon scaling.

Also, I don't see how Elite quests are harder for Clerics than for any other class. Heal what you can. CC what you can. Fight as best you can. Don't use up wands and pots unless you decide that you want to do so. If the rest of the party takes more damage than you can heal, then they will die. That's okay. It's not your job to fix their problems - just support them as best you can and do your own thing as best you can at the same time.

[weedf16]

I find that most of the elite pugs I put together are highly capable (G-land). However, I usually put 'byoh' or 'be self-sufficient' in the LFM. This tends to attract TRs and highly capable players. If we get a healer...bonus. Most of the time, I find we can finish the quest even with no healers at all.

[sirgog]

Then don't join groups like that. Make your own non-elite group. Solo for a change. Wow, so hard.

This. And if anyone joins and tries to hijack the group into doing elite, tell them "sorry, if you are too stupid to read an LFM that clearly says 'Normal' then you are obviously too stupid to run a quest on Elite".

[sweez]

The current head count of players level 17 - 20 are thus:

Cleric 8
Paladin 20
Barbarian 18
Favored Soul 15
Artificer 12
Wizard 28
Fighters 31
Sorcerers 12
Rogues 36

Those are all single and multiclass characters.

Eight, eight, saying again, EIGHT clerics.

So, what about those 50 anon clerics?

[kclark1980]

This. And if anyone joins and tries to hijack the group into doing elite, tell them "sorry, if you are too stupid to read an LFM that clearly says 'Normal' then you are obviously too stupid to run a quest on Elite".

This is very true as the group leader you can remove them as / if you want before you start the quest. If they jump into the quest on elite before anyone else just let everyone know that you are going to drop group and reform again for a normal/hard run as you had planned and the guy in the quest can stew on it for being a schmuck and trying to hijack.

It's not something I have had to do very often most people are just happy to see a cleric starting a party and will jump on it knowing that their rumps are being covered. Yes it does take longer then the "OMG ELITE XP NOW!" but piece of mind and enjoyment of the game is all in how you play. Let them do it their way and you can be happy and comfortable your way.

[sirgog]

This is very true as the group leader you can remove them as / if you want before you start the quest. If they jump into the quest on elite before anyone else just let everyone know that you are going to drop group and reform again for a normal/hard run as you had planned and the guy in the quest can stew on it for being a schmuck and trying to hijack.

It's not something I have had to do very often most people are just happy to see a cleric starting a party and will jump on it knowing that their rumps are being covered. Yes it does take longer then the "OMG ELITE XP NOW!" but piece of mind and enjoyment of the game is all in how you play. Let them do it their way and you can be happy and comfortable your way.

Except in the very best groups, Hard streaking is a much faster way to level from 16 or so to cap than Elite streaking anyway, as mobs die so much faster that completion times go down more than XP. Especially when mobs can just be ignored on Norm/Hard but are too deadly to skip on Elite.

[DarkForte]

For one of the last toons I leveled, I dropped to hard streak at about orchard, since our group had kind of become fed up with the stress of zerging elite quests. Never had a problem with XP doing that, neither had my partners, all on 3rd life TRs. If your resources do not allow you to carry people through elite runs, try hard streak. The difference isn't that big in the end (you are obviously going to have a harder time filling though)