Epic Big Top - why go to the corner?

[Chilldude]

I'm rather new to epics. I've been healing on my FVS, and things have been going rather well most of the time. However, today I was in a group that really struggled with Epic Big Top. The first couple of times I'd run EBT at the end fight we just fought there in the middle, under the big top. Everything went great, boss died fast, there wasn't too much healing to do(I had plenty of mana to keep everyone topped up and keep my dot stacked on the boss.)

My third time there the party leader called for everyone to get in the corner. Everyone did, everything went fine, boss died, all was good. I didn't understand why everyone went in the corner though.

Today, the party leader called everyone to get in the corner, but he was pretty frantic about it. Kept saying get in the corner if you don't want to die and such. I'm not a fan of going in the corner, it's hard to see, and the boss does an AOE where I don't see any point in everyone taking damage from it, even though I am throwing mass heals/cures. The party leader was a PM, and actually died in the corner, which made me further question the whole get in the corner approach.

This group had all kinds of problems throughout the quest. People were running off in all directions. I couldn't throw mass heals most of the time because everyone was all spread out. I'm not the type of person to get bent out of shape about it though, sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. However, morale was very low, the party leader was definitely on edge, so I wasn't about to ask this group why we were standing in the corner. I was just happy we completed, took my token, bid them adiue, and left.

So, I came here to ask you guys instead. What's the deal with getting in the corner?

[Saravis]

Its easier to keep her in one place when she's in the corner. That way you don't have to chase her around too much.

[sirgog]

Its easier to keep her in one place when she's in the corner. That way you don't have to chase her around too much.

And this matters a lot when moving imposes a -4 attack roll penalty, and Malicia has the second highest AC of any opponent in the game (only Ugg the Assertive in mansion challenges gets higher AFAICT).

[DaSawks]

Also I have noticed that if she is in the corner and tried to teleport she can bug out and stand still doing nothing while you pound on her.

[Malky]

Today, the party leader called everyone to get in the corner, but he was pretty frantic about it. Kept saying get in the corner if you don't want to die and such.
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The party leader was a PM, and actually died in the corner [...]

Overconfidence in his reflex save ? /drool

AFAIK it's mostly to get a static fight, avoiding the -4 movement penalty.
I've once been in a full arcanes/divines eBT pug, and most of them went in the corner... now that was funny to see

[EvilI]

By rumor she becomes less active when parked in the corner. However she is sometimes prone to bug and get stuck in non-active mode with no way to ineract with or damage her thus locking the quest from completion.

At one such time, after a long and drawn out fight in a kind of weak dps group that had used up near all of their renewable resources to get her down to 15% before she "stuck", a GM told me that this is a known issue when players try to exploit by parking her in the corner and that he recomended not to fight her there.

[Sarisa]

She changes aggro readily.

She has extremely high AC, so even a little bit of burst damage from a bunch of high rolls in a row can change her hate table a great deal.

She, like the Stormreaver, likes to run off and pull out a bow. When that happens, and people start chasing, it only compounds the normal to-hit troubles people have with another -4 to hit penalty.

Blocking her in a corner helps keep her from running off as much, and lets the more "support" people keep as many debuffs as possible on her more easily.

Good PM's can still die to 500+ damage Sunbursts if they roll a 1 on their reflex save. She also casts Disintegrate, and a 1 on that can hit for upwards of 430 damage.

In an all/mostly caster group, we do tend to stay in the middle and spread out. It's just in melee heavy groups that the corner is much more preferable.

[Cyndrome]

By rumor she becomes less active when parked in the corner. However she is sometimes prone to bug and get stuck in non-active mode with no way to ineract with or damage her thus locking the quest from completion.

At one such time, after a long and drawn out fight in a kind of weak dps group that had used up near all of their renewable resources to get her down to 15% before she "stuck", a GM told me that this is a known issue when players try to exploit by parking her in the corner and that he recomended not to fight her there.

When did this become an issue? Like many here I used to run it two or three times a day for tokens before they changed the jump points, and I never had her get stuck. With the physics changes I have seen a lot of creatures get stuck in lots of places, and it certainly would not be eliminated by not fighting her in a corner.


I do not think she becomes less active in the corner, but she certainly teleports less, and if everyone stays put when she teleports away and does ranged dps she will port back in to continue the beatdown. This beats chasing her all over the tent and makes the fight at least a minute or two shorter.

[Ivan_Milic]

She moves less,or doesnt move at all and she attacks less.

[Cauthey]

She seems to not cast as much when you put her in the corner. She's been a bad girl. She needs to be put in time out in the corner so that she can think a little while about what she did.

[HatsuharuZ]

She seems to not cast as much when you put her in the corner. She's been a bad girl. She needs to be put in time out in the corner so that she can think a little while about what she did.

She needs a spanking. :P

[Expalphalog]

Nobody puts Baby in a corner.

[Enoach]

The put her in a corner is to minimize her movements and nothing more. She does seem to use less range spells when the majority of the party are within Melee range.

However, that being said, in a heavy melee group we have successfully done this while surrounding her in the middle of the tent. Retreating to the tent entrance when minions spawn. And while she was surrounded for melee, she also seemed to not cast as many Ranged Spells.

I think the corner was mainly used because groups generally lack the ability or skill to surround her. This uses the limiting space to accomplish the same thing.

An all caster group should surround her - all at a distance, dodging her feeble attempts at causing any damage.

[Malky]

I think the corner was mainly used because groups generally lack the ability or skill to surround her. This uses the limiting space to accomplish the same thing.

Surrounding a more-or-less-randomly teleporting mob ? good luck on that

[morrok73]

nobody puts baby in a corner.

+1

[Varashad]

She needs a spanking. :P

*Nosebleed*

[Chai]

Surrounding a more-or-less-randomly teleporting mob ? good luck on that

Not very hard to do, since she teleports to the person with the aggro, which is a very short distance if everyone is surrounding her. If she ends up outside the circle, they just need to re-surround her.

It gets annoying when a caster dots her up then runs all over the place in a group with a few melee.

[Malky]

Not very hard to do, since she teleports to the person with the aggro, which is a very short distance if everyone is surrounding her. If she ends up outside the circle, they just need to re-surround her.

It gets annoying when a caster dots her up then runs all over the place in a group with a few melee.

Hmm i'm pretty sure she does teleport away sometimes, and not on anyone especially (hence the 'more-or-less-random').

[Sarisa]

Hmm i'm pretty sure she does teleport away sometimes, and not on anyone especially (hence the 'more-or-less-random').

She does that sometimes when she wants to "pewpew". Usually after, she'll either head back to the corner or teleport back to whoever has aggro.

[delsoboss]

Because we like being confined in tight spaces with half naked hot chicks ... yeah ... oh wait, and because moving while swinging makes you always use your lower bab attacks with a -4 penalty to boot and it gets annoying fast chasing her around the tent.

Personally, if people don't get in the corner i just stay there throwing daggers at her while waiting for them to realize people is writing instructions in party chat or finishing their spell points and die to her pink plinkyness.

So far no one has killed her alone (more power to them if they could), neither has died due to stubborness so i keep waiting in the corner for the spank... err ... fighting ... yeah ... fighting ...