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    Community Member Grayvin's Avatar
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    Lightbulb Need advice for a STR assassin build

    I'm doing a lesser reincarnation on my rogue, which right now is a dex based rogue, and turning him into a STR based rogue.
    I'm planning on using a +3 tome on all stats and was wondering what I can do to improve the build.
    I also wanted to know how viable the build would be at level 20 for dispatching mobs( with assassinate and pure dps), taking care of traps, and using UMD effectively and what I can change if needed.
    I appreciate any helpful input!

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    Veirdan Deveir
    Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
    (20 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 242
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 9
    Reflex: 18
    Will: 6
    
                      Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
    Strength             15                 23                   24
    Dexterity            15                 18                   22
    Constitution         13                 16                   16
    Intelligence         15                 18                   20
    Wisdom                8                 11                   11
    Charisma             11                 14                   14
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    
                      Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
    Balance               6                 29                   31
    Bluff                 4                 25                   33
    Concentration         1                  3                    5
    Diplomacy             4                 25                   27
    Disable Device        6                 28                   30
    Haggle                0                 24                   26
    Heal                 -1                  0                    2
    Hide                  6                 29                   39
    Intimidate            0                  2                    4
    Jump                  2                  7                    9
    Listen               -1                  0                    2
    Move Silently         6                 29                   39
    Open Lock             6                 29                   31
    Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                2                  5                    7
    Search                6                 28                   30
    Spot                  3                 23                   25
    Swim                  2                  7                    9
    Tumble                6                 29                   31
    Use Magic Device      4                 25                   27
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 3 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 5 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 6 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Improved Hide I
    Enhancement: Improved Hide II
    Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
    Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
    
    
    Level 11 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 12 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
    Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
    Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I

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    Dump charisma, put some more points in con.

    OTWF isnt a great feat, esp with new to hit mechanisms lurking around the corner, just wield light off hand weapons till then for high AC mobs.

    Why so many dex enhancemnents? they're very expensive and you don't need them, drop them all. Invest in human versatility instead, drop skill boost too then ofc.

    Also taking human adap II for +1con wouldnt be bad
    Last edited by .Revenga.; 05-16-2012 at 07:30 AM.
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    Build seems fine but!

    Since u used a +3 DEX tome drop ur base DEX at 14 so u can hit 17 for ITWF-GTWF

    Also imho drop INT at 13...u'll lose 1 DC on assassinate but i think u can live with that easily

    Also drop CHA at 8

    Now with all these spare point get 17 base STR and 15 CON

    oversized is fine if u'r gonna wield khopeshes but consider swapping PA for weapon focus or toughness if you have problem at the to-hit section

    about enhancements...imo get at least human STR-CON,3 racial toughness,max SA,s&w mastery II/III,deadly shadow,haste-dmg boost II,skill mastery I (very usefull for UMD purposes),subtle III/IV

    For me though i'd go 18/2 with 2 ftr levels for all the ftr goodies
    Last edited by spectroum; 05-16-2012 at 01:00 PM.
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    On a more DPS agressive approach, I'd probably go this way.

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    Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
    (20 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 262
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 10
    Reflex: 15
    Will: 6
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    25
    Dexterity            14                    17
    Constitution         14                    18
    Intelligence         16                    21
    Wisdom                8                    11
    Charisma              8                    11
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 3 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 5 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 6 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder
    
    
    Level 10 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
    
    
    Level 11 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 12 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
    Enhancement: Human Versatility I
    Enhancement: Human Versatility II
    Enhancement: Human Versatility III
    Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
    Enhancement: Improved Hide I
    Enhancement: Improved Hide II
    Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
    Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II
    For a more survival approach, swap Impr Sunder for SF:UMD, Rogue Extra Action Boost for Human Recovery I, and Haste Boost III + IV or Subtle Backstabbing III + IV for W&S Mastery III & IV.

    Having only Subtle Backstabbing II might suffice if you have other sources of Threat Reduction (Tharne's Set, Tinker's Set, etc) or might be a problem if you don't have a proper hate tank. If you solo a lot you could drop it to tier I, though. =P
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    Community Member Grayvin's Avatar
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    Thanks for the replies! If there's anything else that people want to suggest feel free to post, I'm open to having many ideas.

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