Tough love is not appreciated...

[mobrien316]

I recently TR'd my fighter, whose first life was as a cleric, into another cleric. I like playing clerics, but in his twenty levels as a fighter I must have forgotten some of the drama that comes along with the role as "healer."


Last night in an elite run of Butcher's Path, a fighter got cursed. I didn't notice the curse at first and threw him a cure, which did practically nothing. He was yelping for another cure and I told him to drink a curse pot (which I believe are ML 1). He said he doesn't carry curse pots because "that's why we have clerics!"

I told him level 4 clerics don't have access to level three spells, and he told me I should be carrying a wand... Then he kept yelping for more cures.


Realizing this would not go over well, but also believing it would ultimately wind up helping him, I told him I wasn't going to heal him any longer while he was cursed, but that I would be happy to carry his stone to the shrine after he died (which occurred shortly thereafter.)

As politely as I could, I told him that he is responsible for carrying curse pots and that healers are just wasting SP by curing him while he is cursed. I also told him he should be carrying poison pots and cure disease pots, and he loudly disagreed with me. When my character was a fighter I carried a stack of 100 of just about every type of pot there is, and my current cleric has pretty much the same.

If he was a brand-new player I would have been a bit less surprised, but he had wings next to his name. I don't know how he got to 20 if he doesn't carry pots and thinks that the cleric is responsible for everything...


Anyway... He either learned a lesson or he thinks I'm a jerk and he squelched me.

[Alaunra2010]

He had wings next to his name, did he? Based on your observations, his wings are attached to someone else's back.

+1 to you for at least trying to make it a teaching moment.

[LafoMamone]

Anyway... He either learned a lesson or he thinks I'm a jerk and he squelched me.

By the way you describe it, he most likely didn't learn. Either way, you should be the one doing the squelching.

[Missing_Minds]

I see a fighter getting ignored from future Shoud and Shav quest runs.

[FranOhmsford]

Excuse me but since when do Kobold Shamans throw healing curses around?

Mummies yes
Clay Golems yes
Sully Heck yes

Kobold Shamans in Butcher's Path?

BTW I wouldn't be expecting lowbies to be carrying Curse Pots around anywhere other than the Necropolis.

If you're a TR who's played a Cleric before than you should be at least carrying a Wand.

If he's a TR he should know to carry Remove Curse Pots BUT I wouldn't be wasting Curse Pots on anything other than a Healing Curse - The rest go away quick enough anyway and don't stop heals from getting through.

Can't really understand why your Cure Mod did practically nothing unless:
1. He was Warforged
2. He had a huge amount of HP for a Lvl 4 Fighter and you forgot to maximise/empower.

[Antheal]

Butcher's Path?

I don't think Elite Kobold Shamans have the ability to cast anti-healing curses, just the -4 penalty curses.

That doesn't explain why you were unable to heal him.

[Claransa]

Sorry you didn't get the memo but yeah nowadays with all the xp boosts any idiot can get to 20 on a first life.

[Mubjon]

I do not carry remove curse, disease, lesser restore, restore, greater restore, remove poison, or anything else that can be done with a pot.

The lowbies should be carrying 5 to 10 of each at all levels. I might start making them carry their own cure pots too. I do on my melee's and other characters that are not divine. Why should I expect something different from a complete stranger?

I have ran into quite a few players that cannot seem to understand that they are responsible for their own lives. I have other things to do than worry about making sure I can cure all the aliments that someone might get in a quest. I am happy to heal during battle, I am not however there to heal you outside of battle or remove stuff that you can spend a few plat on to remove your self.

[Mubjon]

Butcher's Path?

I don't think Elite Kobold Shamans have the ability to cast anti-healing curses, just the -4 penalty curses.

That doesn't explain why you were unable to heal him.

It was probably a WF that did not bother with healer's friend. I have started to either ask for a wand from the WF or they will need to carry pots. not going to spend the SP to heal someone that is taking half the effects. Of course I have been splashing 1 level of wizard by level 7 for the free meta feat.

[ZennyoTheWise]

Excuse me but since when do Kobold Shamans throw healing curses around?

BTW I wouldn't be expecting lowbies to be carrying Curse Pots around anywhere other than the Necropolis.

If you're a TR who's played a Cleric before than you should be at least carrying a Wand.

If he's a TR he should know to carry Remove Curse Pots BUT I wouldn't be wasting Curse Pots on anything other than a Healing Curse - The rest go away quick enough anyway and don't stop heals from getting through.

It's always fun reading discussions from players telling other players how they should or should not play the game.

Aaahhh the beauty of MMO's.

[Kawai]

He had wings next to his name, did he? Based on your observations, his wings are attached to someone else's back.

+1 to you for at least trying to make it a teaching moment.

Ditto... +1. There is no good reason for anyone not to carry thier own pots and b responsible for themselves to some degree. Too bad there isnt a pot for common sense.

Tarelyn

[Enoach]

I recently TR'd my fighter, whose first life was as a cleric, into another cleric. I like playing clerics, but in his twenty levels as a fighter I must have forgotten some of the drama that comes along with the role as "healer."


Last night in an elite run of Butcher's Path, a fighter got cursed. I didn't notice the curse at first and threw him a cure, which did practically nothing. He was yelping for another cure and I told him to drink a curse pot (which I believe are ML 1). He said he doesn't carry curse pots because "that's why we have clerics!"

I told him level 4 clerics don't have access to level three spells, and he told me I should be carrying a wand... Then he kept yelping for more cures.


Realizing this would not go over well, but also believing it would ultimately wind up helping him, I told him I wasn't going to heal him any longer while he was cursed, but that I would be happy to carry his stone to the shrine after he died (which occurred shortly thereafter.)

As politely as I could, I told him that he is responsible for carrying curse pots and that healers are just wasting SP by curing him while he is cursed. I also told him he should be carrying poison pots and cure disease pots, and he loudly disagreed with me. When my character was a fighter I carried a stack of 100 of just about every type of pot there is, and my current cleric has pretty much the same.

If he was a brand-new player I would have been a bit less surprised, but he had wings next to his name. I don't know how he got to 20 if he doesn't carry pots and thinks that the cleric is responsible for everything...


Anyway... He either learned a lesson or he thinks I'm a jerk and he squelched me.

I'm a bit confused...

1. Curses that negate/reduce healing don't show up until you meet Mummies - First encounter is about Level 5 Quests in Necropolis
2. Curses cause a -4 to Attack, Skill Checks and Saves

If the fighter was getting reduced healing at the level 4 range, the only possibility would be that the fighter was Warforged. This would be 50% without any Healer's Friend Enhancements.

[SirValentine]

Excuse me but since when do Kobold Shamans throw healing curses around?

They don't.

BTW I wouldn't be expecting lowbies to be carrying Curse Pots around anywhere other than the Necropolis.

If you're a TR who's played a Cleric before than you should be at least carrying a Wand.

Wow, double standard. TR melees are not expected to carry their own Remove Curse expendables, but you expect a Cleric to pay for and use an inventory slot to have a Remove Curse expendable to use on the melees? Nope, sorry, not happening.

[smeggy1384]

Sounds like they had not played a divine before, and they had not read the curse description. I forget to grab the various status curing potions on my alts, that's my own fault and responsibility. My arti i keep them all on, that's the only character i actively level anyway. I'd bet this is the type of player who runs off from that really nasty looking spell(radiant burst or aura of course!) the cleric keeps trying to cast on top of them.. then gripes that you're not healing efficiently enough.

[Quarterling]

Well at least he's lucky enough that curse now has a timer.

*wishes it would go back to curse being a permanent-until-cured debuff*

[Ryan220]

Dont sweat it.

Its everyones responsibilty to help if they can.

If I was carrying a Remove Curse wand then I wouldve used it if his reason was he couldnt afford pots or he forgot to buy some etc, but if (as in your case) he referred to me as some kind of Nannybot then hes on his own.

If players cant be bothered to help me to heal them..................

[Starp]

I do not carry remove curse, disease, lesser restore, restore, greater restore, remove poison, or anything else that can be done with a pot.

The lowbies should be carrying 5 to 10 of each at all levels. I might start making them carry their own cure pots too. I do on my melee's and other characters that are not divine. Why should I expect something different from a complete stranger?

I have ran into quite a few players that cannot seem to understand that they are responsible for their own lives. I have other things to do than worry about making sure I can cure all the aliments that someone might get in a quest. I am happy to heal during battle, I am not however there to heal you outside of battle or remove stuff that you can spend a few plat on to remove your self.

Yep, I mostly agree with your list except for Greater Restoration. I always carry that on my FvS and Cleric toons: multiple negative levels can make a fellow player dead in a hurry. Deathward helps, but some of those stinking drow casters (and all of the beholders) do the Dispel Magic routine: Painful!

[taurean430]

Well at least he's lucky enough that curse now has a timer.

*wishes it would go back to curse being a permanent-until-cured debuff*

/signed

Same for blindness, disease, etc too please. Especially mummy rot, the gift that kept on giving...

Players were better then. Many of the newer ones expect everything to be done for them.

[good_ole_corwin]

I do not carry remove curse, disease, lesser restore, restore, greater restore, remove poison, or anything else that can be done with a pot.

While I agree with your general sentiment, you haz (greater) restore pots? Do you have a number I could call and order a few crates, do they have wholesale prices?

In all seriousness, I would expect TRs to carry around their own pots and generally have some degree of self-sufficiency. On the other hand, the stuff can be plat intensive, especially if arcanes jump in and demand melees carry their own hages and heroisms and stuff. So on my divine lives I did keep an assortment of scrolls and wands to remove such conditions and if a melee was not removing it, I would. And sometimes I would suggest for them to start carry basics like remove curse pots etc. All this tough talk about how Im not doing this or that and I can carry his stone instead of a wand is all nice and dandy, but ultimately his death is your XP loss too, so Im personally not a fan of "tough love" too much.

[Garix]

/signed

Same for blindness, disease, etc too please. Especially mummy rot, the gift that kept on giving...

Players were better then. Many of the newer ones expect everything to be done for them.

Ah the days of running around harbour/Marketplace unable to see and hoping to meet a helpful cleric