TR2 in 18h 42min's

[Luskacik]

Yeah wondering about co6 too, dont you need a different opener for each part of the chain?

[Gwadaboom]

Yeah wondering about co6 too, dont you need a different opener for each part of the chain?

Yes. I did that early last year on another account and I think Zaph has openers as well. Leveled 5 wizards to L7 and went through GM/Cot6 to the correct part. It took some time, but not that much - GM/Cot6 is rather quick. Now you can even get veteran L7 if you want to make it even easier. This has been useful through 25 or so TR's, so for me it has been worth it.

You could of course skip this and go with other quests, but I really like this addition, especially to be able to go through L6->L7 in Cot6 pt2-4(which you do) in very easy good xp/min quests. After that you can hit even better quests with Fireball in your arsenal. As a pure sorcerer it's not as necessary to find good none-fireball quests early on.

It *is* the start that is slow, despite the addition of the challenges at the start. As soon as you hit Delera it's all good all the way to cap.

Edit: I of course use the openers for other chains as well.

[grandeibra]

A special mention should be made of the fact that Kha didn't die at all through this TR!

Hmm the way I remember it kha hasn't died since around 2006 ^^

awesome job!

/Blatta

[QuantumFX]

For everyone tripping out on the Buying Time completions: LINK

[Luskacik]

For everyone tripping out on the Buying Time completions: LINK

bah now everyone will know about it and make them fix it that much sooner :P

[Clay]

Nice one guys! Wow!

[ReveredCat]

For everyone tripping out on the Buying Time completions: LINK

I cant understand whats in this video....
He had only 1 "incoming" within 3.5 mins.I always have 3-4 "incoming" up to 6-8 mobs
And I didnt even see anything coming in that "incoming" in the video....totally mob free, thats unfair
Is there a trick or what...btw I wasnt going too far to pull more..they just came with "incoming"

Edit: nvm....tried lots of times and it turned out all just cuz of luck

[voxson5]

This combo is great fun

After reading the OP I rolled a new 32pt version of this & man I'm addicted!! Awesome awesome fun!

Best time I got was a solo trial @ 2 mins, I'll try & do better haha

And grats guys!

[QuantumFX]

bah now everyone will know about it and make them fix it that much sooner :P

According to Eladrin, he’s watched all the “Diaries of a True Reincarnate” videos. So he’s probably seen this video already. (It was featured on Ukenberger’s YouTube for nearly all of the sorc incarnation threads.) Also, the XP from a single 3 star completion is a 0.45% drop in a very big 4.375 Million bucket. (Personally, I’d prefer the 5/6 star completions at level 19.)

[khatarsis]

Hmm the way I remember it kha hasn't died since around 2006 ^^

awesome job!

/Blatta

tnx, and I've died a little bit inside every day since when you decided to play on ghallanda instead of thelanis

give a hug to the rest of the rusties for me

[Luskacik]

According to Eladrin, he’s watched all the “Diaries of a True Reincarnate” videos. So he’s probably seen this video already. (It was featured on Ukenberger’s YouTube for nearly all of the sorc incarnation threads.) Also, the XP from a single 3 star completion is a 0.45% drop in a very big 4.375 Million bucket. (Personally, I’d prefer the 5/6 star completions at level 19.)

Yeah so he'll probably fix all the llittle tricks and shortcuts eventually, bah :-D And agreed I decided very quick to not do time is money at lvl 1 since the 6 star at 18 is much better xp, but buying time can't 6 stared, not in 5 min by a long shot, so that on 20 and 25 is a good deal for a lvl 1. Stil not decided on epic time is money, 18 can only 5 star it rly on 21, the 25 mobs and warlock is too much for lvl 18s. And it rly helps bypass the crappy lowbie quests, the only time I had to run under 3K per min was on lowbie. And at 18 there's still enough other xp heavy stuff. On the other hand this option is only good if you can 3 star lvl 25 time is money at lvl 1 which is not the easiest of feats and might take more tries, wasting time in the end...

Also, how about labor shortage? At 18 I found it a decent source of xp...

[khatarsis]

Yeah so he'll probably fix all the llittle tricks and shortcuts eventually, bah :-D And agreed I decided very quick to not do time is money at lvl 1 since the 6 star at 18 is much better xp, but buying time can't 6 stared, not in 5 min by a long shot, so that on 20 and 25 is a good deal for a lvl 1. Stil not decided on epic time is money, 18 can only 5 star it rly on 21, the 25 mobs and warlock is too much for lvl 18s. And it rly helps bypass the crappy lowbie quests, the only time I had to run under 3K per min was on lowbie. And at 18 there's still enough other xp heavy stuff. On the other hand this option is only good if you can 3 star lvl 25 time is money at lvl 1 which is not the easiest of feats and might take more tries, wasting time in the end...

Also, how about labor shortage? At 18 I found it a decent source of xp...

The point of doing buying time at level one, is as you say, bypass the lowbie quests. With lvl 20 and 25 buying time, you'll be at lvl3 in no time. Yes, it is good at 18 as well, but there you have other options that still give just as good xp. At lvl 1-3 you don't.

We have done a few lvl 25 time is money with the help of lvl20 guildies, but it's generally not worth it. Faster and easier just to do lvl21 and move on. At least when you want to keep xp/min up as we did with this fast tr.

[QuantumFX]

Yeah so he'll probably fix all the little tricks and shortcuts eventually, bah :-D And agreed I decided very quick to not do time is money at lvl 1 since the 6 star at 18 is much better xp, but buying time can't 6 stared, not in 5 min by a long shot, so that on 20 and 25 is a good deal for a lvl 1. Stil not decided on epic time is money, 18 can only 5 star it rly on 21, the 25 mobs and warlock is too much for lvl 18s. And it rly helps bypass the crappy lowbie quests, the only time I had to run under 3K per min was on lowbie. And at 18 there's still enough other xp heavy stuff. On the other hand this option is only good if you can 3 star lvl 25 time is money at lvl 1 which is not the easiest of feats and might take more tries, wasting time in the end...

Also, how about labor shortage? At 18 I found it a decent source of xp...

I think they’re probably pretty happy how it is. There are random elements of the map that will always fall out of the control of the devs.

My guild can 6 star (or 5 starred on CR:21 epic) Buying time in 10 minutes on a decent map. And even in a worst case scenario it's still over 4K XP/Minute (or 3.5K/Min on epic).

Pretty much all the Lava Caves and Extraplanar Palace challenges are worth doing for fast XP/Minute. The only place that I don't expect a 5/6 star completion is in Colossal Crystals. (Getting all 3 crystals tend to be a pain.) But, the interesting thing at that point in the game is that my guild also tries to work the score aspect as well. (Higher score = moar Ingredients.)

[Luskacik]

But that was my point, you need a good map and bigger party probably, and you either spend 2 cookies or it's 11 min. 4 stars can be duoed in 5 min like nothing at all and gives 675% base, while 6 stars gives 550% more but that's not even double that, so 4 stars in 5 min is better xp/min :-) Is then a philosophical question of course if it's more important to get maximum exp from it while staying above that 4K/min limit, or to get max xp/min :-) THe question is moot is it rly offers itself to 3 star at lvl 1, but evne doing it at 18 I'd prolly pick the quick 4 star, just for the danger of not getting those 300 in the end... that decision of course cna be made after min in the map, by that time you know if you can reasonably hit 300 more quickly or not :-)

As for others, I guess all are worth it, tho as I usually duo them, I find it harder to resonably accomplish stars like get foreman killed in dragon's hoard, last time marilith slauthered like 10 kobolds ignoring foreman all the time, might have been unlucky, but then you can't bet on luck. I'm sure with preparation like keeping the kobolds away withotu a porter as you get close to limit then it's not aproblem, but duo whiel tryign to get all the other stars it's not so easy, if I do a 3 man of 4 man TR I will probably try it. Also as there is no shrine, epic dragon hoard would probably be a huge drain on your mana pots to 6 star, the lvl 25 dragon alone is a tough challene for lvl 18s.

I agree that all the lava caves and palace challenges are good xp/min if you can 6 star them, but are all reliably 6 starrable? Kobolds not using porter and walking instead, dying, bang 4 stars instead of 6, some caster coming, bang same, bad map, not getting 300 above quota or resetting the map thus wasting time... Not all of them are a guaranteed 6 star on the first try, as you get better at them chanc eis very high but only some are pretty much a guarantee... You don't have all of them in your quest plan either Lava caves for example suffers from max lvl being 15 and thus 25% less XP, so 6 star is the only option, and agian it's not too hard, but things can go wrong, and there enough good stuff around that lvl... It's a hard question, though I definitely wanna end up with mor ethan just buying time and time is money on my list...

[QuantumFX]

But that was my point, you need a good map and bigger party probably, and you either spend 2 cookies or it's 11 min. 4 stars can be duoed in 5 min like nothing at all and gives 675% base, while 6 stars gives 550% more but that's not even double that, so 4 stars in 5 min is better xp/min :-) Is then a philosophical question of course if it's more important to get maximum exp from it while staying above that 4K/min limit, or to get max xp/min :-) THe question is moot is it rly offers itself to 3 star at lvl 1, but evne doing it at 18 I'd prolly pick the quick 4 star, just for the danger of not getting those 300 in the end... that decision of course cna be made after min in the map, by that time you know if you can reasonably hit 300 more quickly or not :-)

I think I’m ok with “really good XP per minute”. Since there are other goals at work in there I can live with compromising with a larger group for the 6 star.

As for others, I guess all are worth it, tho as I usually duo them, I find it harder to resonably accomplish stars like get foreman killed in dragon's hoard, last time marilith slauthered like 10 kobolds ignoring foreman all the time, might have been unlucky, but then you can't bet on luck. I'm sure with preparation like keeping the kobolds away withotu a porter as you get close to limit then it's not aproblem, but duo whiel tryign to get all the other stars it's not so easy, if I do a 3 man of 4 man TR I will probably try it. Also as there is no shrine, epic dragon hoard would probably be a huge drain on your mana pots to 6 star, the lvl 25 dragon alone is a tough challenge for lvl 18s.

For clarification: My guild groups tend to go for 6 stars on the non-epic versions. the epic versions get the CR:21 5 star completions.

As for getting the foreman killed: In my guild, we tend to let one of the trash “incoming” mobs do the deed. And usually we start looking for it around 5 minutes before the end.

For killing the Palace dragon: We usually do 1 Home base guard, 1 torchrunner, and the remaining 4 either go out as a kill group or go scouting. We tend to clear upstairs east first for the torchrunner and then work our way around as a group for the slay 120 baddies version or go straight for the dragon on the other versions. We also tend to run mixed groups since at level 18 you can group with l20s and do the CR20 version. (And everyone can use more challenge gear.)

I agree that all the lava caves and palace challenges are good xp/min if you can 6 star them, but are all reliably 6 starrable? Kobolds not using porter and walking instead, dying, bang 4 stars instead of 6, some caster coming, bang same, bad map, not getting 300 above quota or resetting the map thus wasting time... Not all of them are a guaranteed 6 star on the first try, as you get better at them chanc eis very high but only some are pretty much a guarantee... You don't have all of them in your quest plan either Lava caves for example suffers from max lvl being 15 and thus 25% less XP, so 6 star is the only option, and agian it's not too hard, but things can go wrong, and there enough good stuff around that lvl... It's a hard question, though I definitely wanna end up with more than just buying time and time is money on my list...

The only one that we have problems with is colossal crystals. The best we've been able to do is 2 progenitor crystals. The get kobolds to use the teleporter 200 times is pretty easy with the right porter setup.

[ayspam]

Tnx Can't speak for the others, but I'm a Princess

choochoo, good to see yall are still around

No you re not a princess, if you are prove it, go kiss a frog :P

*waves* to Blatta, say hi to the rusties for me too

[Luskacik]

For clarification: My guild groups tend to go for 6 stars on the non-epic versions. the epic versions get the CR:21 5 star completions.

As for getting the foreman killed: In my guild, we tend to let one of the trash “incoming” mobs do the deed. And usually we start looking for it around 5 minutes before the end.

For killing the Palace dragon: We usually do 1 Home base guard, 1 torchrunner, and the remaining 4 either go out as a kill group or go scouting. We tend to clear upstairs east first for the torchrunner and then work our way around as a group for the slay 120 baddies version or go straight for the dragon on the other versions. We also tend to run mixed groups since at level 18 you can group with l20s and do the CR20 version. (And everyone can use more challenge gear.)

Yeah if you can reliably get a full group of skilled guildies fo rthe challenges it make sit easier I guess, I usually ahve to duo
But I wonder if stuff like dragon's hoard is worth it, no way it gives 80K exp for 5 star at lvl 21 for those 20 min of challenge time, not even sure it gives 60K, I'try to check it out to make sure but according to challenge xp formula form mr cow it wouldnt be worth it, labor shortage barely would...

And foreman, aha so towards the end you lead kobold away, pick up the porter and torches close to base, so hes alone there for a while ? huh, didn't think of that

BTW I just confirmed it, the star bonus xp doesn't scale with challenge length the way base does, big suprrise and disappointment, now I say dragons hoard is absolutely not worth it, neighter is circle of power :-) also colossal crystals as you said almost impossible to 6 star, all these are not good enough xp/min, the other challenges are ok :-)

[Luskacik]

I gotta ask this one as well, is tear that good rly? I can believe the 2nd normal run was aboe 3900 per min??? DO you do spluit up all optionals in 3 ppl? Or just all zerg to end? I ran this so many timewith differne tgroups, and yeha in a full group doign all optionals on norm it was nice xp, but in 2man-3man I just never could get so much out of it, usually rna just EH...

[khatarsis]

choochoo, good to see yall are still around

No you re not a princess, if you are prove it, go kiss a frog :P

*waves* to Blatta, say hi to the rusties for me too

chooochoooo

A real princess don't kiss frogs, thats just in fairytales. And a real princess don't go taking pics swinging his fairy tail in the age of the internetz either.

[Gwadaboom]

I gotta ask this one as well, is tear that good rly? I can believe the 2nd normal run was aboe 3900 per min??? DO you do spluit up all optionals in 3 ppl? Or just all zerg to end? I ran this so many timewith differne tgroups, and yeha in a full group doign all optionals on norm it was nice xp, but in 2man-3man I just never could get so much out of it, usually rna just EH...

When we trio'd it last time, we had a 6 min elite run I believe and 5 min's on the other difficulties. I think you can squeeze it down to 4 min's, maybe. We just zerged to the end. Killing optional bosses on the way and picking up one shard if there was time. Splitting up a bit (one spearheading for the end). Shrining once, mostly because it's not much of a loss due to getting sprintboost back and full sp is naturally handy to be able to blast away more.

We used invis a bit at the end and just killed groups for the 100 needed, but mostly just killed most everything to avoid too much alert.

Also remember that the 3900 XP/minute was during the +25% weekend ...