New PvP System

[xxHazexx]

My thoughts on a new system, after leaving the game and coming back still thinking that turbine still really has a shiny gem on there hands and developed one of the greatest games to exist the only thing thats truly missing from the game is a good pvp system with the lack of content which i understand is being worked on and i can be patient.

PvP System

• Some general thoughts, players of course would have the options to "cue up" for pvp and then for those that choose not to would never have too.
  
  Incentives: Players that choose to pvp would have the options for added bonus to guild renown, Some sort of leaderboards for the group cue and solo cue, provided daily challenges for the pvp system, medals that you could trade for gear, trade-ins for different weapon skins? ingrediants, anyway you understand what im getting at here.
  
  Solo or Group
  Players would have the options to cue up solo or group that way the groups can give guilds a chance to stack up renown and a chance to play together towards other guilds.
  
  Games
  
  Ship defense: Maybe have sort of a "Battleship" field so to speak when the match starts each ship would hover over the teams base with a ladder and the goal would be to invade each others base and successfully grab a guild flag and carry it back to the opposing teams airship "capture the flag" this would provide a good defense as well as a good offense for the opposing teams so it would be balanced.
  
  
  Cover your bases: Players would have the opportunity to have a team death match with other players across the playing field players would have to get past like maybe npc guards as well to invade another base and the player to have survive the longest would have successfully captured the teams base and scored a point.
  
  Free for all: A good place to relax for any tired of the grind for xp or loots player in ddo, I understand you pain so what a better place to come and unwind? Bring your friends and lets have a massive death match this would also give turbine the ability to work on bigger instances with more players with the new physics engine maybe for say live action events.
  
  

What are your thoughts?

Just some more food for thought, Omm Nom Nom Nom.

[MsEricka]

You lost me at PvP.. but seriously guild renown in PvP?

/HECK NO

[xxHazexx]

You lost me at PvP.. but seriously guild renown in PvP?

/HECK NO

I've noticed that players are strongly against it but pvp isn't such a bad thing in fact it's really a great activity to take part in a good majority of players generally like pvp and don't want to comment due to the opposition, Anyway for example console games proivde a good source to find player vs. player content it's also a good way to generate revenue and attract new customers who like a good pvp system that earns them bragging rights.

[madmaxhunter]

I've noticed that players are strongly against it but pvp isn't such a bad thing in fact it's really a great activity to take part in a good majority of players generally like pvp and don't want to comment due to the opposition, Anyway for example console games proivde a good source to find player vs. player content it's also a good way to generate revenue and attract new customers who like a good pvp system that earns them bragging rights.

Majority of players? Can I get hard data on that? Of the 40 or so people I know in game. There is one that's a PvPer. The other 39 hate even going into the Lobster. 1/40 does not a majority make.

[Postumus]

Majority of players? Can I get hard data on that? Of the 40 or so people I know in game. There is one that's a PvPer. The other 39 hate even going into the Lobster. 1/40 does not a majority make.

Self-selection. If you were a PvPer, 39 of the 40 players you knew might also enjoy PvP. Only Turbine could know for sure.

[xxHazexx]

Majority of players? Can I get hard data on that? Of the 40 or so people I know in game. There is one that's a PvPer. The other 39 hate even going into the Lobster. 1/40 does not a majority make.

I wasn't making a reference to going into the lobster and hopping from a balcony i meant the CtF maps and Arena's their pretty fun if you can get the guildies to come and other geared players that don't pws, neg lvl or dispell you.

[Chai]

I wasn't making a reference to going into the lobster and hopping from a balcony i meant the CtF maps and Arena's their pretty fun if you can get the guildies to come and other geared players that don't pws, neg lvl or dispell you.

Most players dont know those exist. In fact, Ive run into daily PVPers who didnt know they existed.

Seems like each player has their list of "cheap tactics" they dont like. They are usually the tactics that can be used to kill their build. I say keep it open. There are no cheap tactics. Theres no way to block everything that can be done to a toon and there are enough powerful abilities to go around where all of them cant be hoarded on the same build.

[loki_3369]

Majority of players? Can I get hard data on that? Of the 40 or so people I know in game. There is one that's a PvPer. The other 39 hate even going into the Lobster. 1/40 does not a majority make.

/Semi-wallo'text "You shall not pass!"



Without taking a full poll of every player on every server, neither of you are totally correct. A "majority" is completely relative to you and the social group you are a part of. The forum population =/= in game population as well, in case someone had planned on using that as a counter-argument.

Shadow, I'd like to see the pvp system changed. Somewhat similar to your/Thirt's idea(s). I don't think there should be any exceptional loot that comes from pvp. Or perhaps as someone's suggested (perhaps even yourself, too tired to look through it) keep the loot that comes from pvp only usable in pvp. I like the idea of giving pvp it's own instance.

As for balance, I don't really see a balance issue within pvp. I know people cry about casters a lot, but I've never really had a problem taking casters down on my main. The cheap people use cheap tactics. There will always be cheap people. That's why I turn into the cheapest person you'll ever find in the Lobster- once someone does it to me of course . When you get into the arena with people who aren't complete ******rs, it is quite fun. It's a great distraction from the constant raiding/epics we do.

I don't think it would hinder any of the pve "progress" they would make. I mean, how hard is it to buff one thing and nerf two others? So the "oh noez pvp get in way of pve developemint!1!!!!11" argument really doesn't apply. However, everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course.

Oh, also. For the "DDO is based off of D&D and meant to be a co-op game", etc. The same could be said of Battlefield 3 and most other pvp games (not that I want DDO to become pvp based). Completely different genre, I know. Theory is still the same. Generally you work with your team to defeat the other team. Well, the good players do anyway. I know what you meant though. Pc vs. npc. Just trying to give an example of how a pvp system could also be considered co-op. Most games with decent pvp systems (which aren't 1v1) usually involve cooperation and team tactics. Poor example, I know. Too tired/don't care enough to try to come up with a better example... Sorry.


Good ideas, along with some bad, but unfortunately I doubt Turbine will ever give us any better pvp.

Would be kind of cool if they made an entirely pvp based game with similar combat systems... It would also be nice if they outsourced their customer service to somewhere that speaks logic.

Much longer than I had intended this to be.... Snarfle snarfle.

[Memnir]

I would not mind seeing PvP options expanded, and the games you mentioned would be nice additions. However I think that there should never be any kind of tangible reward in DDO associated with PvP. Including renown.



The best change to PvP would be putting it in it's own instance - and out of the public taverns.

[Gkar]

I think that there should never be any kind of tangible reward in DDO associated with PvP. Including renown.

The best change to PvP would be putting it in it's own instance - and out of the public taverns.

Well said.

[Postumus]

I would not mind seeing PvP options expanded, and the games you mentioned would be nice additions. However I think that there should never be any kind of tangible reward in DDO associated with PvP. Including renown.

I dunno. Maybe if there was a guild round robin tourney type event where the top winners get a guild renown award. Or maybe even something that drops collectable turn ins, like the challenges, where if you collect enough of them you can turn them in for guild pots, xp pots, etc.

The best change to PvP would be putting it in it's own instance - and out of the public taverns.

Agreed.

[xxHazexx]

I would not mind seeing PvP options expanded, and the games you mentioned would be nice additions. However I think that there should never be any kind of tangible reward in DDO associated with PvP. Including renown.



The best change to PvP would be putting it in it's own instance - and out of the public taverns.

I appreciate the responses, Mem i have to agree i see the issue with my suggestion with the guild renown however some sort of pvp gear would be cool for pvp use only and arena's are already a private instance and there sort of a cue there but the general ddo community on any server hardly realizes it exists. Just needs a general re work. Let's make some progress!

[Dandonk]

If there are going to be PvP rewards, then IMO they should only affect PvP. So no renown - and renown for winning PvP matches would be too easy to exploit, I think.

Adding a second form of renown for PvP might be too complicated, but I wouldn't mind PvP giving PvP rewards. It wouldn't affect me at all then

[Chai]

Many games that have PVP rewards also have measures in place to prevent exploitation. Whats stopping a player from dual boxing, racking up a 100% win ratio on their desired toon, and taking full advantage of the system with no effort put in whatsoever?

[Delt]

Many games that have PVP rewards also have measures in place to prevent exploitation. Whats stopping a player from dual boxing, racking up a 100% win ratio on their desired toon, and taking full advantage of the system with no effort put in whatsoever?

Innovative thought... Diminishing returns.

When a suggestion is vague, lobbing criticisms of this sort is silly...unless the theory is No PvP system can prevent exploitation (bollocks).

DDO can never have real pvp (world). It can have artificial arena pvp though - instanced/queued. I wouldn't mind if there was some benefit to pvp, such as leaderboards, titles or even some cosmetic pieces. But that kinda fluff doesn't directly earn money for Turbine...so I suspect we will either see a major pvp patch (aka Monsterplay, etc) or no pvp patch. The end.

[Kawai]

what he said

[Niv-mizzet]

I think it would be kind of nice to give out guild renown in pvp. I mean it pretty much fits exactly what renown is for. "Getting well-known for doing stuff."

Have it diminish significantly over like 5 matches, to where the 6th and further in a single day give none or extremely little. (obviously with no renown for brawling, just the matches.)

I don't pvp, but I will never understand the absolute hatred it seems to draw from most of the forum. If Timmy wants his ball to be pink and he's happy with a pink ball, let it be pink. You don't gotta be all "No red is best color, pink is not allowed."

[MsEricka]

I've noticed that players are strongly against it but pvp isn't such a bad thing in fact it's really a great activity to take part in a good majority of players generally like pvp and don't want to comment due to the opposition, Anyway for example console games proivde a good source to find player vs. player content it's also a good way to generate revenue and attract new customers who like a good pvp system that earns them bragging rights.

lolwut?

Lets break this down

a good majority of players generally like pvp

I can say a good majority of dentists are addicted to cocaine if I only ask one dentist who is already addicted. You state the majority of players like PvP, but in my experience it is an extreme minority of players that I know that like PvP and the rest want it removed.

console games proivde a good source to find player vs. player content

DDO is not a console game, I honestly don't see how you can compare the two. Most console games that have pvp are pvp based or have checks and balances that make pvp "fair". DDO is not pvp based and is in no way balanced between classes.

it's also a good way to generate revenue and attract new customers who like a good pvp system

I absolutely disagree. Adding more PvP will bring more free players to the game who will continue to use resources while contributing nothing.

that earns them bragging rights.

Again with the majority/minority thing. Few people I know care about pvp and even less will care about rankings and bragging. Some may like it, and I can't take that away from them but in the end since DDO isn't a pvp game, a ranking system means very little.

[Postumus]

Adding more PvP will bring more free players to the game who will continue to use resources while contributing nothing.

What facts can you possibly be basing this conclusion on?

[xxHazexx]

lolwut?

Lets break this down



I can say a good majority of dentists are addicted to cocaine if I only ask one dentist who is already addicted. You state the majority of players like PvP, but in my experience it is an extreme minority of players that I know that like PvP and the rest want it removed.



DDO is not a console game, I honestly don't see how you can compare the two. Most console games that have pvp are pvp based or have checks and balances that make pvp "fair". DDO is not pvp based and is in no way balanced between classes.



I absolutely disagree. Adding more PvP will bring more free players to the game who will continue to use resources while contributing nothing.



Again with the majority/minority thing. Few people I know care about pvp and even less will care about rankings and bragging. Some may like it, and I can't take that away from them but in the end since DDO isn't a pvp game, a ranking system means very little.

Cordovan: We offer a PvP section of the forum to allow players to discuss the various aspects of PvP they enjoy (or don't enjoy.) Players who utilize the available PvP systems in DDO should be allowed to discuss PvP in this section of the forums. To encourage this discussion, we offer this bit of advice:

If the topic is about whether PvP in general terms is good, then a player would be keeping in topic by saying they don't like PvP. However, if a player is saying "I have X comment to say about a specific part of the PvP system" that player should not have their thread disrupted by off-topic posts which amount to essentially, "I don't like PvP." A player should be allowed to make suggestions they feel would improve DDO's PvP system without having to deal with off-topic posts as well.

If your only contribution to PvP threads is that you do not like PvP in DDO, you should not be posting in threads meant to discuss certain aspects of PvP, or threads that suggest improvements to the PvP system. If your goal is to harass those who do utilize this game option, you should not be posting in these threads whatsoever.

Please allow players who want to discuss PvP in DDO to have a place to do so. Harassing people for liking PvP, or leading threads off-topic by making posts which amount to, "I don't like PvP and don't think it should be in the game" can be an infractable offense.

Remember to follow the Community Guidelines. Thanks!

This topic was created purely for suggestion on how to make ddo's pvp system better not picked apart by negativity and no "room" for improvements comments. Suggestions and general ideas appreciated as well as factual comparison on elements in the topic that logically relate argumentative discussion.