Chonkin: Mellee sorc

[Goob]

So this is just a rough draft and i wanted to know if this is a viable build.Its meant to buff/heal itself while also doing some damage. All comments are appreciated!

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CHOnkin 
Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(6 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 12 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 261
Spell Points: 1366 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 16
Will: 19

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 20                   20
Dexterity             8                  8                    8
Constitution         10                 13                   14
Intelligence         14                 16                   16
Wisdom                6                  6                    6
Charisma             16                 22                   23

Tomes Used
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 16
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 16

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               1                 12.5                 12.5
Bluff                 3                  6                    6
Concentration         4                 25                   32
Diplomacy             3                  6                    6
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                3                  6                    6
Heal                 -2                 -2                   -2
Hide                 -1                 -1                   -1
Intimidate            3                  6                    6
Jump                  5                 18                   18
Listen               -2                 -2                   -2
Move Silently        -1                 -1                   -1
Open Lock            n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  3                    3
Search                2                  3                    3
Spot                 -2                 -2                   -2
Swim                  3                  5                    9
Tumble                1                 16                   16
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Immunities
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I


Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Diehard
Spell (1): Magic Missile
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (1): Repair Light Damage
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II


Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Spell (2): Repair Moderate Damage
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Force Manipulation II


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I


Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (2): Blur
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (3): Frost Lance
Enhancement: Sorcerer Water Savant I


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Repair Serious Damage
Enhancement: Deadly Ice II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Force Manipulation III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics II


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I


Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (4): Repair Critical Damage
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Force Manipulation IV


Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (2): False Life
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Deadly Ice III
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation
Spell (5): Niac's Biting Cold
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction II


Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Ice Storm
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (6): Reconstruct
Enhancement: Sorcerer Water Savant II
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Deadly Ice IV
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Force Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VI

[Phidius]

Aside from the obligatory reference to Tukaw, I must say I don't recommend this. I have a WF 12 Sorc/6 Pal/2 Monk (see the build here), and he's been relegated to storage for quite a while now.

Diehard is a wasted feat - it's built in to being a Warforged.

Mental Toughness/Improved Mental Toughness is also a waste - use those feats for melee DPS instead. If you want more spell points, take more Sorc levels.

10 Con isn't going to be enough - you need to take at least 16 starting Con.

16 Cha on a WF sorc isn't giving you very much for your investment. Typically, one spends 3-for-1 build points on a caster's main stat because they want to land spells - with only 12 levels of sorc, you're going to have a hard time penetrating Spell Resistance, and your saves without Heighten won't be very good.

Please don't take the criticism you're going to experience in this thread personally - most people will have the best of intentions, and are just trying to help.

[Goob]

Aside from the obligatory reference to Tukaw, I must say I don't recommend this. I have a WF 12 Sorc/6 Pal/2 Monk (see the build here), and he's been relegated to storage for quite a while now.

Diehard is a wasted feat - it's built in to being a Warforged.

Mental Toughness/Improved Mental Toughness is also a waste - use those feats for melee DPS instead. If you want more spell points, take more Sorc levels.

10 Con isn't going to be enough - you need to take at least 16 starting Con.

16 Cha on a WF sorc isn't giving you very much for your investment. Typically, one spends 3-for-1 build points on a caster's main stat because they want to land spells - with only 12 levels of sorc, you're going to have a hard time penetrating Spell Resistance, and your saves without Heighten won't be very good.

Please don't take the criticism you're going to experience in this thread personally - most people will have the best of intentions, and are just trying to help.

I took diehard for the pally PE. The build wasnt meant to do THAT much casting but when its nescessarry or available it has some potential. 16 con seems a little high

[Phidius]

You'd do better with the Shield Mastery instead of Diehard. Heck, I took Shield Mastery on my 12 Wiz/6 Rngr/2 Rog just for the damage reduction alone!

16 Con is 1-for-1 build points, which is where I start my Con on all my builds. It's a pretty cheap source of hitpoints.

What you'll find out is that with the Savant PrE, your casting will dwarf your melee damage by a considerable margin.

This build was a lot better when casting was expensive and pathetic. Now that it's cheap and powerful, the only reason to play one of these is for fun (IMHO), and I've got other builds that are more fun

[Goob]

You'd do better with the Shield Mastery instead of Diehard. Heck, I took Shield Mastery on my 12 Wiz/6 Rngr/2 Rog just for the damage reduction alone!

16 Con is 1-for-1 build points, which is where I start my Con on all my builds. It's a pretty cheap source of hitpoints.

What you'll find out is that with the Savant PrE, your casting will dwarf your melee damage by a considerable margin.

This build was a lot better when casting was expensive and pathetic. Now that it's cheap and powerful, the only reason to play one of these is for fun (IMHO), and I've got other builds that are more fun

Try this:http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...53#post4430953

[Phidius]

Try this:http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...53#post4430953

I saw that one too. However, I've never played an arcane archer, and I don't think getting Precious to a level 6 barbarian back in 2006 qualifies me as competent on barbarians either

[Goob]

Use basic KNOWLEDGE!